The regulatory burden

[Walterp]

Julie's normally sunny face clouded over, as a neighbouring farmer extolled the benefits of farming in Poland - "they don't have the red tape we have, see.You don't take care of yourself and get hurt, that's your lookout." He nodded approvingly.

Julie's grandfather was a miner. He was killed in a mine accident at 38, and left her grandmother with two young children and no comeback - her 'lookout' was that she had to take in other people's washing to make ends meet. She died penniless.

I guess that was also her lookout.

Today health and safety regulations - along with the rest of the regulatory burden - are the hallmark of an advanced and civilised State. More, and better, regulation is not only desirable but also inevitable.

It's why periodic calls for a 'bonfire of regulations' get nowhere - by definition, they cannot. They are issued by people who do know better, at an audience who ought to know better (but do not) - as good a working definition of populism as I've found.

It is time farmers accepted this facet of modern life.

 

[An Gof]

Throwing out another sprat?

Let’s see what you catch

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Julie's Grandparents certainly had a hard life, but then nobody has ever promised me an easy life.

It was the U-Kippers' bullsh!t about red-tape being wiped out by Brexit, if we want to continue to export to the EU, we will have to continue to meet their rules & regulations.

 

[JP1]

Julie's normally sunny face clouded over, as a neighbouring farmer extolled the benefits of farming in Poland - "they don't have the red tape we have, see.You don't take care of yourself and get hurt, that's your lookout." He nodded approvingly.

Julie's grandfather was a miner. He was killed in a mine accident at 38, and left her grandmother with two young children and no comeback - her 'lookout' was that she had to take in other people's washing to make ends meet. She died penniless.

I guess that was also her lookout.

Today health and safety regulations - along with the rest of the regulatory burden - are the hallmark of an advanced and civilised State. More, and better, regulation is not only desirable but also inevitable.

It's why periodic calls for a 'bonfire of regulations' get nowhere - by definition, they cannot. They are issued by people who do know better, at an audience who ought to know better (but do not) - as good a working definition of populism as I've found.

It is time farmers accepted this facet of modern life.

The bonfire of regulations is a popular mantra with certain sections of our own politicians. It makes me laugh as the ONLY output of Parliament is more laws and regulations ....................

 

[fgc325j]

Julie's normally sunny face clouded over, as a neighbouring farmer extolled the benefits of farming in Poland - "they don't have the red tape we have, see.You don't take care of yourself and get hurt, that's your lookout." He nodded approvingly.

Julie's grandfather was a miner. He was killed in a mine accident at 38, and left her grandmother with two young children and no comeback - her 'lookout' was that she had to take in other people's washing to make ends meet. She died penniless.

I guess that was also her lookout.

Today health and safety regulations - along with the rest of the regulatory burden - are the hallmark of an advanced and civilised State. More, and better, regulation is not only desirable but also inevitable.

It's why periodic calls for a 'bonfire of regulations' get nowhere - by definition, they cannot. They are issued by people who do know better, at an audience who ought to know better (but do not) - as good a working definition of populism as I've found.

It is time farmers accepted this facet of modern life.

The problem is the interpretation of the rules, a common complaint was that rules from the EU were applied
over-strictly by civil servants in the Uk, whilst in other Eu states they was a more laid back application of
the rules. A prime example of this was that Milk Marque, with 80+% of dairy farmers supplying them, was,
by the UK view of Eu rules deemed to be illegal, yet nowadays over 90% of Danish milk producers supply
Arla, and our Eu lords and masters do not seem to be concerned ??.

 

[Werzle]

Thats why people with commonsense are a dying breed, rules and regs are breeding generations of people who need an instruction manual to function in life and work .

 

[JP1]

The problem is the interpretation of the rules, a common complaint was that rules from the EU were applied
over-strictly by civil servants in the Uk, whilst in other Eu states they was a more laid back application of
the rules. A prime example of this was that Milk Marque, with 80+% of dairy farmers supplying them, was,
by the UK view of Eu rules deemed to be illegal, yet nowadays over 90% of Danish milk producers supply
Arla, and our Eu lords and masters do not seem to be concerned ??.

The Dutch have a word "gedogen" - recognise the rule and then be selective how you interpret it

 

[Frankzy]

Julie's Grandparents certainly had a hard life, but then nobody has ever promised me an easy life.

Not you specifically but the whole reason for why we even have a civilisation in the first place is to lead easier and safer lives.
So surely the more civilised people become the easier life gets...

 

[JMTHORNLEY]

Not you specifically but the whole reason for why we even have a civilisation in the first place is to lead easier and safer lives.
So surely the more civilised people become the easier life gets...

Definition of civilisation ;

civilization
ˌsɪvɪlʌɪˈzeɪʃ(ə)n/
noun
noun: civilisation

1. the stage of human social development and organization which is considered most advanced.

If this last ten+ years are anything to go by with transgender/bisexual/religious/'open mindedness'/lazy lout/benefit scrounging and down right disrespectful 'advance' is what the world perceives as becoming more civilised then we are all well and truly f**ked with a capital F because this generation coming through now are the most over privileged over entitled louts in what seems to be decades. Say what you will I'm sure plenty will disagree with me but my generation will be the pitfall of this country.. As the old saying goes

Hard times create strong men
Strong men create good times
Good times create week men
Weak men create hard times

 

[JP1]

Definition of civilisation ;

civilization
ˌsɪvɪlʌɪˈzeɪʃ(ə)n/
noun
noun: civilisation

1. the stage of human social development and organization which is considered most advanced.

If this last ten+ years are anything to go by with transgender/bisexual/religious/'open mindedness'/lazy lout/benefit scrounging and down right disrespectful 'advance' is what the world perceives as becoming more civilised then we are all well and truly fudgeed with a capital F because this generation coming through now are the most over privileged over entitled louts in what seems to be decades. Say what you will I'm sure plenty will disagree with me but my generation will be the pitfall of this country.. As the old saying goes

Hard times create strong men
Strong men create good times
Good times create week men
Weak men create hard times

By and large I look at my Daughters and their generation coming through and I'm pleased. They are well rounded, have a good work ethic, save like hell to get on the property ladder (I had a far easier lot), are professional in their careers (despite the student debt) and care about the future and the environment. I think the media carries a lot of blame for some of these poor perceptions - still cannot get my head around bilge like Love Island

 

[JMTHORNLEY]

I agree with you JP, there are (I'd like to think myself included) some very hard working young folk coming through with good nous and an ability to take on responsibility but, my experience with my generation through school life and in early adulthood doesn't fill me the greatest of confidence

 

[Ewe2]

Today health and safety regulations - along with the rest of the regulatory burden - are the hallmark of an advanced and civilised State. More, and better, regulation is not only desirable but also inevitable.

It's why periodic calls for a 'bonfire of regulations' get nowhere - by definition, they cannot. They are issued by people who do know better, at an audience who ought to know better (but do not) - as good a working definition of populism as I've found.

It is time farmers accepted this facet of modern life.[/QUOTE]

In this country we have regulation for the sake of it, a lot of which makes no sense and is of no benefit to our industry or consumer.

Earlier this week I was speaking to someone who has been involved with a livestock market in the USA. Cattle are sold through the ring in bunches of 100 head plus, identified simply as ‘100 red bullocks’. He said there was no red tape over there... No ear tags, no passports, no FCI. Are you saying the USA is not an advanced and civilised country?

 

[wasted years]

Julie's grandad was an employee and wasn't in charge of his work environment, by and large farmers are self employed and are in charge of how they work.
Not in any way the same thing.

 

[Dry Rot]

I don't know who said it but I like the quote, "The measure of civilisation is the people's laws and how they are administered".

I just bought a newspaper for the first time in ages because the headline caught my eye. "Scotland's Shameful Culture of Secrecy".

Now why would they need to be secretive if they are doing their job according to the law? It seems corruption is rife these days and widely accepted.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Thats why people with commonsense are a dying breed, rules and regs are breeding generations of people who need an instruction manual to function in life and work .

I have never understood the logic in trying to delay the inevitable, but then I keep sheep!
If it doesn't want to function, what a waste of a good shadow, get one that does want to function in its place - there are an abundance of both type around (people) but very few sheep bother to mess with electric fences!
And, those who need instruction to eat, don't eat.

Agree with what's said above, other EU members uses it to advantage; your governing-mint simply beats you with it, both cheeks and either way, that won't change until anarchy presides!

Not you specifically but the whole reason for why we even have a civilisation in the first place is to lead easier and safer lives.
So surely the more civilised people become the easier life gets...

Too easy, and too safe though?
The trouble with rules, is when they go against those natural laws too much - they advance the great "dimming of the species" by protecting failures from, well failing, so that we are deprived from education and advancement?

There seems to be a real desire to mollycoddle humanity, which would be great, if the world simply needed numbers.

(Imagine trying to start a world war one, a hundred years on: it just wouldn't be allowed. People might get hurt!!)

So, those bright young men got culled for no apparent reason, and we actually want to breed more below-the-averages and keep them going til 98 years of age - I don't get the why?

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
And FailArmy is proof that no amount of H&S will stop people trying to ski through revolving doors - it is human nature to try things.

 

[Ashtree]

By and large I look at my Daughters and their generation coming through and I'm pleased. They are well rounded, have a good work ethic, save like hell to get on the property ladder (I had a far easier lot), are professional in their careers (despite the student debt) and care about the future and the environment. I think the media carries a lot of blame for some of these poor perceptions - still cannot get my head around bilge like Love Island

Can’t like that post enough!

 

[Cowabunga]

Julie's normally sunny face clouded over, as a neighbouring farmer extolled the benefits of farming in Poland - "they don't have the red tape we have, see.You don't take care of yourself and get hurt, that's your lookout." He nodded approvingly.

Julie's grandfather was a miner. He was killed in a mine accident at 38, and left her grandmother with two young children and no comeback - her 'lookout' was that she had to take in other people's washing to make ends meet. She died penniless.

I guess that was also her lookout.

Today health and safety regulations - along with the rest of the regulatory burden - are the hallmark of an advanced and civilised State. More, and better, regulation is not only desirable but also inevitable.

It's why periodic calls for a 'bonfire of regulations' get nowhere - by definition, they cannot. They are issued by people who do know better, at an audience who ought to know better (but do not) - as good a working definition of populism as I've found.

It is time farmers accepted this facet of modern life.

Yes, but it is a matter of degrees. The feeling of an ever-tightening noose.
I would agree that most regulations are needed to a certain extent, but what is not needed is the UK civil servant and VOSA and god knows who else, gold plating regulations. Prime examples are Farm Assurance, who add conditions regularly and certainly annually, as does DEFRA and HSE, despite there seldom being any actual statutory change to actual regulations. Only their interpretation of regulations and gold-plating seems to be at the root of it.

 

[Cowabunga]

Earlier this week I was speaking to someone who has been involved with a livestock market in the USA. Cattle are sold through the ring in bunches of 100 head plus, identified simply as ‘100 red bullocks’. He said there was no red tape over there... No ear tags, no passports, no FCI. Are you saying the USA is not an advanced and civilised country?

I would say that on the whole it is considerably less civilised in many ways than Western Europe. A higher proportion of ignorant, uneducated, hardly-literate, pseudo-pious, ultimately litigious and depraved people than even we have.

 

[Ewe2]

I would say that on the whole it is considerably less civilised in many ways than Western Europe. A higher proportion of ignorant, uneducated, hardly-literate, pseudo-pious, ultimately litigious and depraved people than even we have.

Maybe, but my point is we have politicians saying we should open our borders to their meat imports but at the same time increase our standards and regulation. So is the regulatory burden necessary or not? I would say not if our politicians are happy for us to consume meat which is produced without such regulation.

 

[Hindsight]

By and large I look at my Daughters and their generation coming through and I'm pleased. They are well rounded, have a good work ethic, save like hell to get on the property ladder (I had a far easier lot), are professional in their careers (despite the student debt) and care about the future and the environment. I think the media carries a lot of blame for some of these poor perceptions - still cannot get my head around bilge like Love Island

I am off now to see the Skids - doubt there will be much pogoing tonight! My parents thought punk was bilge and couldn't get there head around it. Its your age old boy, your age!! Best wishes,