The Russian Sanctions

[Danllan]

You could just as easily say the West loathes Russia but that does not stop it doing serious business with it, Russia would just as happily trade with China as the West, I think you might find social media means very little in the real world!
As for losing tanks, it would be a brave Ukrainian who blew up the first one, the West's strategy of trying to be little Putin is a sure fire recipe for the opposite to come about.

Yep, every time you call it the wrong way, without fail. What I can't be sure of, is if you are just arguing in a bloody minded manner for the fun of it, or if you really believe things as you portray them. Daft either way...

 

[BrianV]

Yep, every time you call it the wrong way, without fail. What I can't be sure of, is if you are just arguing in a bloody minded manner for the fun of it, or if you really believe things as you portray them. Daft either way...

Which was the wrong way, I did say if you pushed Putin too far without Ukraine being prepared to negotiate he would be unable to back down, the same now applies if you think these sanctions are going to make him cower into retreat you may be in for a surprise.
Almost as daft as you pretending pointless sanctions & invisible NATO posturing will somehow change his mind!

 

[Vader]

What's the 'value' of lost tanks and aircraft during a military campaign...? Hmm...

In war you know you will have losses.
Putin will have an expected loss ratio that he has decided is OK to gain the land he wants.
Just like any war in history.
No Commander expects to win with no losses. Its upto leaders to decide what losses are acceptable to attain their goal.

 

[Danllan]

In war you know you will have losses.
Putin will have an expected loss ratio that he has decided is OK to gain the land he wants.
Just like any war in history.
No Commander expects to win with no losses. Its upto leaders to decide what losses are acceptable to attain their goal.

Yeah, been in a war, know that. Thing is, his ratios have changed significantly for the worse, and will keep getting worse. If he is stable., Vlad will stick to the border lands, if he isn't stable, losses are irrelevant until he is topped.

 

[czechmate]

Yeah, been in a war, know that. Thing is, his ratios have changed significantly for the worse, and will keep getting worse. If he is stable., Vlad will stick to the border lands, if he isn't stable, losses are irrelevant until he is topped.

Quite ridiculously, this is pretty much all it comes down too

 

[Vader]

Yeah, been in a war, know that. Thing is, his ratios have changed significantly for the worse, and will keep getting worse. If he is stable., Vlad will stick to the border lands, if he isn't stable, losses are irrelevant until he is topped.

Maybe not. Depends how good his troops are versus Ukrainian home guard.
Might be great having US sponsored anti tank weapon. But if your lines infiltrated by top Russian troops then might not get chance to use it.
Putin taking the gamble that no western country has the will power to stop him.
He could be right.
Russians on the whole still proud of their country. We got a woke generation who hate their own country's history.
Putin can take losses and keep his home support.
West looses few troops and will be end of the world.
While we worry about hitting civilians, he wont. Look at when they got stuck into isis, the big compounds of tankers we did not hit ,worrying about civilians, Russia just bombed the lot.
West don't know how to fight a war now.
To worried about bad press from. 1 bomb going astray...

 

[Danllan]

Maybe not. Depends how good his troops are versus Ukrainian home guard.
Might be great having US sponsored anti tank weapon. But if your lines infiltrated by top Russian troops then might not get chance to use it.
Putin taking the gamble that no western country has the will power to stop him.
He could be right.
Russians on the whole still proud of their country. We got a woke generation who hate their own country's history.
Putin can take losses and keep his home support.
West looses few troops and will be end of the world.
While we worry about hitting civilians, he wont. Look at when they got stuck into isis, the big compounds of tankers we did not hit ,worrying about civilians, Russia just bombed the lot.
West don't know how to fight a war now.
To worried about bad press from. 1 bomb going astray...

The Russian army, if it invades, will go sh!t or bust as far and as fast as it can over as wide an area as possible - that's the Russian way. So far so good... But the 'West' isn't going to be fighting the Russians, it is going to be arming and financing the Ukrainians if it comes to it - and the Ukrainians will be fighting for their own country.

In classical warfare the received wisdom is that as an attacker you need a minimum of three times the number of the defending troops. Obviously there are other variables, kit, training, quality of man and morale being among them, which will affect the result. I don't know what the average Russian squaddie will be expecting to win out of this, but I know exactly what the average Ukrainian troopie has to lose - everything...

I have no doubt you are right regarding the ruthlessness of any Russian assault, but such behaviour reaps the same, always has. I can't see the Russian army and people putting up with a long-term and extremely deadly war - and before anyone writes that what the people think is irrelevant, take a squint at the effects on the 'leaders' of public dissatisfaction regarding Afghanistan and Chechnya.

Anyway, this is all conjecture, and I truly hope it remains just that.

 

[BrianV]

The Russian army, if it invades, will go sh!t or bust as far and as fast as it can over as wide an area as possible - that's the Russian way. So far so good... But the 'West' isn't going to be fighting the Russians, it is going to be arming and financing the Ukrainians if it comes to it - and the Ukrainians will be fighting for their own country.

In classical warfare the received wisdom is that as an attacker you need a minimum of three times the number of the defending troops. Obviously there are other variables, kit, training, quality of man and morale being among them, which will affect the result. I don't know what the average Russian squaddie will be expecting to win out of this, but I know exactly what the average Ukrainian troopie has to lose - everything...

I have no doubt you are right regarding the ruthlessness of any Russian assault, but such behaviour reaps the same, always has. I can't see the Russian army and people putting up with a long-term and extremely deadly war - and before anyone writes that what the people think is irrelevant, take a squint at the effects on the 'leaders' of public dissatisfaction regarding Afghanistan and Chechnya.

Anyway, this is all conjecture, and I truly hope it remains just that.

Who's back tracking now? The Ukrainians have been sold a pup by the West!

 

[Danllan]

Who's back tracking now? The Ukrainians have been sold a pup by the West!

No inconsistency, no backtracking. Rather bored of your time wasting...

 

[capfits]

The time has come to stop all trade with Russia.
Everything from Banking, Gas, Oil, car parts, aircraft engines, freezing the cash that their citizens have outside Russia, removing all visas.
Hurt? Of course it will, but whilst it may now be Ukraine, next it will be Latvia, Lithuania, Estonian, Moldova Poland and then who knows.

 

[le bon paysan]

Damning!
This is surely one of the reasons Russian oligarchs love London. So easy is it to launder money in the capital, it’s become known as the “London laundromat”, the Intelligence and Security Committee has said.

"There is no enforcement": the awkward truth about the UK's sanctions on Russia

British authorities lack the means and the will to pursue economic crime, campaigners claim.

www.newstatesman.com

 

[Hindsight]

Damning!
This is surely one of the reasons Russian oligarchs love London. So easy is it to launder money in the capital, it’s become known as the “London laundromat”, the Intelligence and Security Committee has said.

"There is no enforcement": the awkward truth about the UK's sanctions on Russia

British authorities lack the means and the will to pursue economic crime, campaigners claim.

www.newstatesman.com

Are we not still waiting for the Russian report to be printed? Or have I missed it? No fear about Partygate. The Tories have a pong worse than catshyte attached to them.

 

[beardface]

In war you know you will have losses.
Putin will have an expected loss ratio that he has decided is OK to gain the land he wants.
Just like any war in history.
No Commander expects to win with no losses. Its upto leaders to decide what losses are acceptable to attain their goal.

And anything beyond it will massively increase the lethal measures he uses.

 

[Martin Holden]

Which was the wrong way, I did say if you pushed Putin too far without Ukraine being prepared to negotiate he would be unable to back down, the same now applies if you think these sanctions are going to make him cower into retreat you may be in for a surprise.
Almost as daft as you pretending pointless sanctions & invisible NATO posturing will somehow change his mind!

Ok, what is your solution to this issue then?

 

[Mek]

My two pennorth is that NATO and the west should hit Russia now with every sanction at their disposal and these sanctions can be lifted as Russian troops retreat. If the sanctions have no effect then we know the only option is a military one. If we are not prepared to face a nuclear threat then we shouldn’t be holding nuclear weapons ourselves. All Putin has to do to invade any country he wishes is threaten a nuclear strike if anyone opposes him.

 

[Vader]

My two pennorth is that NATO and the west should hit Russia now with every sanction at their disposal and these sanctions can be lifted as Russian troops retreat. If the sanctions have no effect then we know the only option is a military one. If we are not prepared to face a nuclear threat then we shouldn’t be holding nuclear weapons ourselves. All Putin has to do to invade any country he wishes is threaten a nuclear strike if anyone opposes him.

If he invades a NATO country other NATO are agreed to counter attack.
Sadly apart from being morally outraged, we have no reason to attack Russia at the moment.
Doing so could even make Russia/China tighter allies as China sees us as a threat, but with Russia in the picture, more to counter NATO.
China won't see Russia go down unless they take it as an opportunity to invade Easten Russia themselves in a land grab.

 

[Vader]

Ok, what is your solution to this issue then?

Get the eu to stop expanding East?
Russia don't like it...

 

[BrianV]

Ok, what is your solution to this issue then?

The time for a solution to Ukraine has now passed, it's now a mater of the West standing back & watching what they have created & hopefully learning an awful lesson for the future, sad that others have to pay with their lives for our mistakes!

 

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[BrianV]

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