The State of Nature Report

[Pilatus]

Just seen the above report mentioned on BBC News .
Here we go again agriculture blamed as doing the most harm.
Why o why are developers of green field housing estates, industrial parks, new roads and railways etc etc, very rarely mentioned, yet they destroy so much wildlife habitat???
All good fodder for Packham to get up on his soap box, and start “farmer bashing”!!!

 

[DRC]

Another thread on here talking about it titled C4 news tonight

 

[Two Tone]

No mention of any of the environmental schemes such and Mid or Higher Tier stewardship was there.

 

[Pilatus]

Another thread on here talking about it titled C4 news tonight

Sorry had not seen that so apologies all for repetition.

 

[DRC]

Sorry had not seen that so apologies all for repetition.

No need for apologies , just thought you might have missed it

 

[PSQ]

Don't be fooled: It's just a re-hash of the 2016 report (click) with the same 'environmental' organisations desperately clambering over themselves to try and gain public attention; especially now that Extinction Rebellion and Greta Thunberg are taking all the media limelight. The rest of the organisations must feel that they've been left behind in the shade, and without a constant supply of media attention they know their benefactors will jump ship and latch on to the next fashionable bandwagon, leaving them out of a job.

 

[Katarina]

Hopefully the rewilding Britain group will fall flat on there faces and people will open there eyes to there misguided agendas.

 

[Pilatus]

Don't be fooled: It's just a re-hash of the 2016 report (click) with the same 'environmental' organisations desperately clambering over themselves to try and gain public attention; especially now that Extinction Rebellion and Greta Thunberg are taking all the media limelight. The rest of the organisations must feel that they've been left behind in the shade, and without a constant supply of media attention they know their benefactors will jump ship and latch on to the next fashionable bandwagon, leaving them out of a job.

I think it is shame that most do not realise Greta Thunberg is just being exploited by her parents.
I think if she was put before a panel, that questioned her about her speeches and asked to back them up with stastics she would soon break down, as she would soon get out of her depth.

 

[JJT]

I think it is shame that most do not realise Greta Thunberg is just being exploited by her parents.
I think if she was put before a panel, that questioned her about her speeches and asked to back them up with stastics she would soon break down, as she would soon get out of her depth.

https://www.facebook.com/809184489177854/posts/2397578930338394

 

[PSQ]

I think it is shame that most do not realise Greta Thunberg is just being exploited by her parents.
I think if she was put before a panel, that questioned her about her speeches and asked to back them up with stastics she would soon break down, as she would soon get out of her depth.

As a dad I feel very uncomfortable about criticising a child. I don't completely agree with what she says, and she says quite a lot, but I admire her standing in front of the likes of the UN, parliament and Congress and giving them a bollocking. Not because I agree with her ideas about the IPCC report, but because they are dragging their feet on so many other environmental issues.

 

[Pilatus]

As a dad I feel very uncomfortable about criticising a child. I don't completely agree with what she says, and she says quite a lot, but I admire her standing in front of the likes of the UN, parliament and Congress and giving them a bollocking. Not because I agree with her ideas about the IPCC report, but because they are dragging their feet on so many other environmental issues.

I gather she has Aspergers Syndrome as does Chris Packham, and one of the effects is tunnel vision , so they only see their ideology from their own point of view .

 

[GeorgeK]

As a dad I feel very uncomfortable about criticising a child. I don't completely agree with what she says, and she says quite a lot, but I admire her standing in front of the likes of the UN, parliament and Congress and giving them a bollocking. Not because I agree with her ideas about the IPCC report, but because they are dragging their feet on so many other environmental issues.

I feel sorry for her, exploited and put up on a global pedestal at a delicate age by irresponsible media who will be just as eager to cash in on her inevitable fall from grace when the pressure and attention become too much.
As long as people have someone else to blame they won't change, responsibility starts and ends at an individual level. No more exporting the problem, whether it's to another country or just a convenient, easy target. The only solutions that will work are going to be expensive and difficult... for everyone

 

[kfpben]

I see the article about this on the BBC website says ‘41% of species have declined in number’.
So 59% have increased then? Sounds ok to me.
The problem is a charity relies on hyperbole to keep the donations coming in. It’s never in Oxfam’s interest to say ‘actually Africa’s doing pretty well at the moment thanks’. You need a bit of desperation to aid cash flow.

 

[rob1]

https://www.facebook.com/809184489177854/posts/2397578930338394

blimey thats embarrassing

 

[Nearly]

I gather she has Aspergers Syndrome as does Chris Packham, and one of the effects is tunnel vision , so they only see their ideology from their own point of view .

Like most of us then.

 

[matthew]

I see the article about this on the BBC website says ‘41% of species have declined in number’.
So 59% have increased then? Sounds ok to me.
The problem is a charity relies on hyperbole to keep the donations coming in. It’s never in Oxfam’s interest to say ‘actually Africa’s doing pretty well at the moment thanks’. You need a bit of desperation to aid cash flow.

And those 59 per cent are the poster children of the NGOs. Think big corvids, magpies and other birds which raid songbird nests, and think badgers (emblem of the Wildlife trusts) who decimate hedgehog, small invertebrates and ground nesting bird populations. all documented and published.

 

[n.w]

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I see the article about this on the BBC website says ‘41% of species have declined in number’.
So 59% have increased then? Sounds ok to me.
The problem is a charity relies on hyperbole to keep the donations coming in. It’s never in Oxfam’s interest to say ‘actually Africa’s doing pretty well at the moment thanks’. You need a bit of desperation to aid cash flow.

I saw that "more than a quarter of British mammals facing extinction" [attention grabbing headline,] but they failed to say what the mammals were, left me wondering, Red Squirrel, Water vole ? they failed to mention the terrific amount of work going in to the above's conservation and the removal of the introduced culprits i.e Mink and Grey squirrel both of which are trapped and shot.. but then you wouldnt want to upset anyone !

 

[Farfrae]

As a dad I feel very uncomfortable about criticising a child. I don't completely agree with what she says, and she says quite a lot, but I admire her standing in front of the likes of the UN, parliament and Congress and giving them a bollocking. Not because I agree with her ideas about the IPCC report, but because they are dragging their feet on so many other environmental issues.

She's actually is being manipulated by the world’s financial elites, via vehicles like large environmental NGOs, to serve a pre-existing agenda having more to do with expanding capitalism than reversing or mitigating climate change. Basically she and most of the public are being ‘played’. I can supply links to some very detailed reading about how Greta was 'manufactured' if people want but the links below explain some of what XR is about.

As for her parent's involvement her mother claimed that ‘She can see carbon dioxide with the naked eye. She sees how it flows out of chimneys and changes the atmosphere in a landfill‘. That should ring a few a few 'alarm bells'. Incidentally her mother is Swedish opera singer and celebrity Malena Ernman who has apparently made 10 albums and had two hit singles and appeared in the Eurovision contest. Her father is actor Svante Thunberg, while her grandfather is actor and director Olof Thunberg.

Unpacking Extinction Rebellion — Part I: Net-zero Emissions
Unpacking Extinction Rebellion — Part II: Goals and Tactics
Unpacking Extinction Rebellion — Part III: The 4th Industrial Revolution

 

[SilliamWhale]

I feel sorry for her, exploited and put up on a global pedestal at a delicate age by irresponsible media who will be just as eager to cash in on her inevitable fall from grace when the pressure and attention become too much.
As long as people have someone else to blame they won't change, responsibility starts and ends at an individual level. No more exporting the problem, whether it's to another country or just a convenient, easy target. The only solutions that will work are going to be expensive and difficult... for everyone

If we are serious proper serious about climate change then we would limit peoples clothing purchases, we would cancel the rugby world cup, the champions league, the olympics We should severely reduce peoples flying to about once every two years for those who can afford to fly and ban any new people from flying, we would probably need to heavily grant aid the insulation in our housing stock, build nuclear power asap and stop importing exotic foods and limit the purchase of goods.

But we are not serious about it (neither am I) and so it won't happen

 

[Pilatus]

No doubt Greta when old enough to drive will think she saving the planet by having a battery powered car .I would like to ask her if the car itself has been “completely” manufacture with recycled materials, and if so how could every car made in the future be made “completely” of recycled materials ,there by reducing the amount of natural resources being dug out of the ground???