The war in Ukraine...

[stevieg]

Do you never wonder why it is that pretty much every media outlet whether on TV or in the papers pretty much always parrot the official line & never ever question whether unrestricted NATO expansion had in any way contributed to the start of the war, they inevitably bring on so called "experts" who nearly always claim that without a complete defeat of Russia they will definitely be attacking NATO before long, any other opinion other than the official one is obviously not wanted, you might just wonder who it is that really controls the media these days.

One of the few articles published in the Guardian early on.
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Little mention of Putin's claim regarding Bozzo Johnson's intervention in UK media one of the few here.
putin-boris-johnson-tucker-carlson-ukraine-war-b2493341.html

Lack of nato expansion caused this war.
if Ukraine was in nato (as they long to be) there is no way putin would of invaded, simple as.
the good Russian people could of continued to sh!t in the hole down their back garden instead of shitting on other people’s doorsteps.

 

[Devil's advocate]

Orban is supporting anti Ukraine farmers in Hungary.

I do worry Putin will try to cause trouble with this one, Joe Gormly got a OBE after his death for feeding information about KGB funding of the 1984 miners strike to MI6.

 

[arcobob]

Lack of nato expansion caused this war.
if Ukraine was in nato (as they long to be) there is no way putin would of invaded, simple as.
the good Russian people could of continued to sh!t in the hole down their back garden instead of shitting on other people’s doorsteps.

They would have needed to join before Russian annexation in 2014 of Crimea when they technically became a country of occupation. Prior to that they spent their time appeasing Russia, as did Obama and the west.
Putin knew this and this is part of his strategy.The only part of NATO that Putin fears is the hindrance to his expansionist policies, so you can understand his plan. All of this blockading of Ukraine exports is also a problem of his making. His intention with annexation of Crimea was to control shipping in the Black Sea, interrupt Ukraine trade and drive exports westward, thus causing mayhem in western economies. The only short term solution is to allow free passage of goods through EU countries in particular for onward shipment worldwide. This may be difficult, with protectionist EU trade barriers, to assist a non member country.

 

[BrianV]

They would have needed to join before Russian annexation in 2014 of Crimea when they technically became a country of occupation. Prior to that they spent their time appeasing Russia, as did Obama and the west.
Putin knew this and this is part of his strategy.The only part of NATO that Putin fears is the hindrance to his expansionist policies, so you can understand his plan. All of this blockading of Ukraine exports is also a problem of his making. His intention with annexation of Crimea was to control shipping in the Black Sea, interrupt Ukraine trade and drive exports westward, thus causing mayhem in western economies. The only short term solution is to allow free passage of goods through EU countries in particular for onward shipment worldwide. This may be difficult, with protectionist EU trade barriers, to assist a non member country.

Funny because I thought Putin talked of joining NATO which would have seriously spiked those “expansionist” plans you mention but he was given the cold shoulder by America & you do know how annoying it is when you are the only one left outside of the gang.

This article is more than 2 years old

Ex-Nato head says Putin wanted to join alliance early on in his rule​

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[arcobob]

Funny because I thought Putin talked of joining NATO which would have seriously spiked those “expansionist” plans you mention but he was given the cold shoulder by America & you do know how annoying it is when you are the only one left outside of the gang.

Russia did join NATO and then left for reasons which you will no doubt be able to explain.

 

[BrianV]

Russia did join NATO and then left for reasons which you will no doubt be able to explain.

Time to wake up you've been dreaming again.

 

[arcobob]

Funny because I thought Putin talked of joining NATO which would have seriously spiked those “expansionist” plans you mention but he was given the cold shoulder by America & you do know how annoying it is when you are the only one left outside of the gang.

This article is more than 2 years old

Ex-Nato head says Putin wanted to join alliance early on in his rule​

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You should read thar article more carefully and then conduct more research back to 1991(pre Putin). Putin only wanted membership on his terms , namely with the exclusion of some existing members. I wonder why.

 

[BrianV]

You should read thar article more carefully and then conduct more research back to 1991(pre Putin). Putin only wanted membership on his terms , namely with the exclusion of some existing members. I wonder why.

Thought you said they'd joined & left, today is Saturday just in case anyone asks you.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Time to wake up you've been dreaming again.

Russia first tried to join NATO in the early 1950's as they could see their membership as an opportunity to stop Germany rearming and get US forces removed from Europe, significantly weakening NATO capabilities against their proposed Warsaw Pact alliance.

 

[arcobob]

Russia first tried to join NATO in the early 1950's as they could see their membership as an opportunity to stop Germany rearming and get US forces removed from Europe, significantly weakening NATO capabilities against their proposed Warsaw Pact alliance.

In other words it was on their terms. At this stage such discussion is quite irrelevant because Putin just ignores agreements when it suits him. There is a good article by NATO on their website entitled Debunking Russian Myths. Some on here won't bother to read it because it flies in the face of their pro Russian stance.

 

[farmerm]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1756041473630360047

 

[BrianV]

Tucker Carlson's Putin Interview Was No Softball Chat

Reflecting on the interview from his hotel room afterward, Carlson refuted critics who have attacked him for giving Putin a platform.

nationalinterest.org

 

[Muck Spreader]

Tucker Carlson's Putin Interview Was No Softball Chat

Reflecting on the interview from his hotel room afterward, Carlson refuted critics who have attacked him for giving Putin a platform.

nationalinterest.org

The National Interest, the same magazine that first published Putin's alternative view of the Second world war where he blames it all on Poland, Britain and France.

 

[farmerm]

Another day, another burning oil refinery, how many is that this week?

MSN

www.msn.com

Sure not every fire will be entirely disabling but lighting up a refinery every day is going to take a toll on russian output

 

[flinty123]

Wonder when the great brave leader of America will give a 2 hour interview to a Russian journalist?

Doubt he would stay awake for long enough and yet people seriously think the commander in chief knows what he is doing?

Bring back Trump to make a deal and end the death.

 

[Devil's advocate]

Tucker Carlson's Putin Interview Was No Softball Chat

Reflecting on the interview from his hotel room afterward, Carlson refuted critics who have attacked him for giving Putin a platform.

nationalinterest.org

Minnette Batters has asked Tucker Carson if he would like to interview her.

 

[Devil's advocate]

Wonder when the great brave leader of America will give a 2 hour interview to a Russian journalist?

Doubt he would stay awake for long enough and yet people seriously think the commander in chief knows what he is doing?

Bring back Trump to make a deal and end the death.

The US has a miltary that can think for itself & puts human rights first.

Any journlist in Russia who put the US first would be in jail or dead.

 

[Charlie Gill]

Wonder when the great brave leader of America will give a 2 hour interview to a Russian journalist?

Doubt he would stay awake for long enough and yet people seriously think the commander in chief knows what he is doing?

Bring back Trump to make a deal and end the death.

There's a deal on the table, putin isn't interested.

 

[flinty123]

The US has a miltary that can think for itself & puts human rights first.

Any journlist in Russia who put the US first would be in jail or dead.

Is that the same military which is allowing the mass slaughter of Palestinians? What makes you think they would treat the Ukrainians any better if Putin puts a good deal on the table for US PLC?

Do you honestly believe Biden has the capacity to make America look good, his own media are turning on him.

 

[flinty123]

There's a deal on the table, putin isn't interested.

Putin knows the next American president will walk away from Ukraine. Biden has too much invested to walk away, it would become a political disaster.

America will walk away just like they did in the past in other countries, no need for Putin to settle for a deal when he is comfortable.