The War on Meat has begun

The War on Meat has begun, and there are many reasons to join the resistance



What starts out as a suggestion then becomes ostracism and ends in state coercion

The BBC, misreporting a United Nations report, wants us to switch to a mostly plant-based diet in order to alter the weather. Would it work? No. A recent “meta-analysis” of all the peer-reviewed papers on this topic found that if the average westerner gave up meat altogether it would cut her total emissions by just 4.3 per cent. This is because food is only a modest part of our emissions. And since vegetables are cheap, the savings would almost certainly be spent on other things with emissions attached, so the actual reduction would be even smaller than that.The effect on cl;imate would be unmeasurable.
 

roscoe erf

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Livestock Farmer
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Bald Rick

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
Clarkson, in his Driving column in the Times, was contemplating whether to fly by private jet as “ I’m aware that private jet travel produces huge amounts of CO2 and having given the matter a great deal of thought, I’ve decided I don’t care. Because how much extra time do I buy the planet by flying Ryanair instead - 0.0000001 seconds? Less? “

Time to fire up the BBQ and throw another steak on the barbie
 

maen

Member
Location
S West
The title is correct and it is up to our industry to begin catch-up. It’s no longer acceptable for Minette Batters to be pushed in front of the cameras and struggle with the technical background of the massive campaign being started against milk and meat production. We need to be more professional and robust.

It started with Gove and the roll out of ‘cows are killing the planet’ with their production of methane. This had gone more or less unchallenged by our industry and has been rolled out to farmers as a done deal. Brexit has also opened the door to the realisation,by some, that the funds currently going directly to farmers are now open for grabs and redirection.

Supermarkets have, in the matter of weeks, suddenly increased the shelf space stocking ‘vegetarian’ alternatives. Couple that to the challenge of alternative ‘milks’ we have a fast moving scene. A bit like ‘Farmers Goods’ milk is a familiar word now given a completely new convenient meaning.

We need a consortium of industry leaders in the UK farming meat and milk industry to assist with research and finance to put the counter argument out into the media and government. Uk Farmers have multi millions of pounds of investment in meat and milk production but unfortunately they are all price takers and lack the ability to finance the defence of their own industry. But farmers have most to loose as perhaps can been seen in the current beef market.

However, the NFU can act as the catalyst and begin the process of putting a team together to begin the counter debate against the BBC and others that selectively use research against our industry.

Similarly, the rise in campaigners who demonstrate against our industry. They have backers who have vested interest and hide their identity but provide funds for others to do the work for them. UK School children and,others from abroad, missing classes to campaign on our streets is news worthy but is being orchestrated by money from someone. Who?

We as a nation and industry are being duped into believing the worlds problems can be solved within our shores. They can’t but our influence can begin the long process that could start to change the way things are done worldwide. It will take time but bankrupting ourselves will be be of no help at all.
 

TheTallGuy

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Location
Cambridgeshire
Supermarkets have, in the matter of weeks, suddenly increased the shelf space stocking ‘vegetarian’ alternatives. Couple that to the challenge of alternative ‘milks’ we have a fast moving scene. A bit like ‘Farmers Goods’ milk is a familiar word now given a completely new convenient meaning.
Supermarkets around here have had large veggie sections for years - yes they've grown, but it's not been a sudden increase & they are merely responding to customer trends. What has changed markedly in the last couple of years is the quality, range & taste of these products. I'm not a veggie, but I do occasionally have a veggie meal (never Quorn based though) for something different & what's available now blows the old nut roasts out of the water!

"Dairy" alternatives aren't allowed to be marketed using dairy terms - one of those rare cases of the ECJ meddling for the better!
 
The War on Meat has begun, and there are many reasons to join the resistance





The BBC, misreporting a United Nations report, wants us to switch to a mostly plant-based diet in order to alter the weather. Would it work? No. A recent “meta-analysis” of all the peer-reviewed papers on this topic found that if the average westerner gave up meat altogether it would cut her total emissions by just 4.3 per cent. This is because food is only a modest part of our emissions. And since vegetables are cheap, the savings would almost certainly be spent on other things with emissions attached, so the actual reduction would be even smaller than that.The effect on cl;imate would be unmeasurable.
I'm quite sceptical about anything the UN writes or says given their agendas, as I'd seriously suggest they don't care about the environment or society, all their concerned with is power and manipulation for their own employment and financial gain.
 

kfpben

Member
Location
Mid Hampshire
Why is Goldsmiths College London banning beef burgers to “save” the planet but not chicken or pork ?

World gone mad

Media hype and indoctrination
It makes me very depressed how people are being taken in with the deceit.

Big fancy reports funded by large shadowy corporations which make a fortune out of fake meat to the detriment of the 1 billion people worldwide who depend on livestock for their living. The BBC complicit in it, other news agencies banging the drum for a cheap, easy story.

It is the beginning of the global triumph of urban thought disconnected from nature over rural reality. We have seen it before; the Inuit being attacked by the activists for clubbing seals, the Icelanders for hunting puffins, anyone for wearing fur, cowboys for rodeos, fox hunting, shooting the list goes on.

Soon the calls for nationalisation of land will begin as farmers can’t be trusted to farm ‘for the greater good’.

I’m 32 and have wanted to be a livestock farmer since I could say ‘cow’. I feel I should start looking at other careers. But what? It’s just so sad and so unnecessary.
 
The facts though are on our (meat producer's side).

People also love eating meat, we really are looking at an "open goal" here, people just need reassuring that actually, meat is part of a healthy diet and that meat production is part of a balanced farming system that actually removes CO2 from the air.

The trouble is, the opposite has been spouted for so long that people are starting to actually believe it.
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
Supermarkets around here have had large veggie sections for years - yes they've grown, but it's not been a sudden increase & they are merely responding to customer trends. What has changed markedly in the last couple of years is the quality, range & taste of these products. I'm not a veggie, but I do occasionally have a veggie meal (never Quorn based though) for something different & what's available now blows the old nut roasts out of the water!

"Dairy" alternatives aren't allowed to be marketed using dairy terms - one of those rare cases of the ECJ meddling for the better!

I'm all for decent veg meals....it's more about what things taste like than their ingredients.

HOWEVER.....the issue as I see it is the us vs. them attitude created by the veggie movement to promote themselves is attacking the competition, not promoting their own product. A bit like the organic sector did. That's what really annoys people.
 
It makes me very depressed how people are being taken in with the deceit.

Big fancy reports funded by large shadowy corporations which make a fortune out of fake meat to the detriment of the 1 billion people worldwide who depend on livestock for their living. The BBC complicit in it, other news agencies banging the drum for a cheap, easy story.

It is the beginning of the global triumph of urban thought disconnected from nature over rural reality. We have seen it before; the Inuit being attacked by the activists for clubbing seals, the Icelanders for hunting puffins, anyone for wearing fur, cowboys for rodeos, fox hunting, shooting the list goes on.

Soon the calls for nationalisation of land will begin as farmers can’t be trusted to farm ‘for the greater good’.

I’m 32 and have wanted to be a livestock farmer since I could say ‘cow’. I feel I should start looking at other careers. But what? It’s just so sad and so unnecessary.
Communism by stealth, maybe we need the Finnish method for prevention?:unsure:;)
 

Goldsmith’s, University of London has continued its crusade to outdo SOAS as the most loony left wing academic establishment in the UK by acquiescing to all of the demands of militant left wing students demanding a ‘Green New Deal’ for the University. The pledges include…


  • Make the University carbon neutral by 2025. But not a word on how to pay for it…
  • Install mandatory first year modules in climate change and ecology. Enticing…
  • Totally divest from fossil fuel industries. In just four months…
  • Ending chemical use in gardening. Just wait until they work out what the word chemical means…
  • Ban the sale of beef on campus. Seriously.

Goldsmith’s SU president released a statement saying “Our house is on fire”. Soon their university’s finances will be too.
 

puppet

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
sw scotland
I emailed their complaints department today and hundreds of you should too.


As a farmer I despair at the knee-jerk reaction to all beef consumption as being bad. I would have thought that a university may have looked more closely at the evidence. The report from last week's conference on Climate Change and Land Use stated that Agriculture accounted for 23% of global emissions but mitigated against 30% of emissions from burning fossil fuels and industry so a long way towards carbon neutral notwithstanding this was a global report so included deforestation to become pasture and the massive amounts of grain and soya fed to animals in Brazil or the USA.
In the UK most beef is fed grass with cereals only being used as a supplement in winter or in the final weeks before slaughter. The growing grass absorbs massive amounts of carbon dioxide in that process as well as converting methane. 80% of Scottish farmland is disadvantaged, being unable to grow crops other than grass but ruminants can convert carbon dioxide via grass to valuable protein. Ploughing up UK pasture would release massive amounts of carbon , increase the need for pesticides and fertilisers and lead to soil erosion at an alarming scale in the 6 winter months where the soil has no crop cover.
You should look at the source of the beef rather than a ban.
Perhaps you should ask why ANY students are using bottled water which is the most inefficient and damaging way to provide water and should therefore be banned.
You also state you only emit 3.7kg of CO2 which is surely a massive underestimate for the whole university
 

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Five nature-recovery projects spanning 100,000ha launched

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Written by Michelle Martin from Agriland

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Five nature-recovery projects spanning nearly 100,000ha across the West Midlands, Cambridgeshire, the Peak District, Norfolk and Somerset have been announced by the government and Natural England today (Thursday, May 26).

This is the equivalent in size to all 219 current National Reserves.

The aim of the projects is to deliver nature recovery at a landscape scale, helping to tackle biodiversity loss, climate change and improve public health and well-being.

All five projects will make a significant contribution towards the national delivery of the international commitment to protect at least 30% of land and...
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