There was a time before Roundup?

[bluebell]

so what happens when roundup, glyphoshate becomes useless ? the weeds that are continually sprayed, ie blackgrass become resistant to it ? we learn over the years that wonder products that are used all the time to treat things such as antibiotics, wormers, rait baits etc, by using them the very thing that you are using them against in a short time starts to evolve into a restant strain ? so when i read that in min till you create false seedbeds to encourage say blackgrass to germinate then spray off with glyphospate, often multiple times what happens when the glyphoshate starts not to work ?

 

[Wellytrack]

There was a time before roundup, but spays were nowhere near as safe AND effective as Glyphosate.

 

[roscoe erf]

I've found that the only time good stuff stops working is when the environmentalists mess about with the ingredients

 

[neilo]

so what happens when roundup, glyphoshate becomes useless ? the weeds that are continually sprayed, ie blackgrass become resistant to it ? we learn over the years that wonder products that are used all the time to treat things such as antibiotics, wormers, rait baits etc, by using them the very thing that you are using them against in a short time starts to evolve into a restant strain ? so when i read that in min till you create false seedbeds to encourage say blackgrass to germinate then spray off with glyphospate, often multiple times what happens when the glyphoshate starts not to work ?

If glyphosate becomes ineffective, or is banned by pseudoscience, then min-till and no till will be replaced by ploughing again, which is totally at odds with the Carbon capture path we are currently being led down.

 

[Drillman]

You can farm quite easily without roundup.

the wife uses more in the knapsack round the yard than I do on the Rest of the farm!

 

[Goweresque]

If roundup goes, we can all get back to the age old farming problem of trying to fight couch grass................

 

[Danllan]

It seems to me that the most pertinent question is: how log does glyphosate remain viable when stored.

 

[teslacoils]

Who cares when we can just import it from countries which will carry on using it?

 

[betternextyear]

I remember farming without Roundup. Couch grass was a never ending battle. which I usually lost. Its my son I worry about though he has no experience of how it used to be( before glypho) and he thinks I am a bit weird for going on about the perils of light land farming with a couch problem. He may in a few yers learn the hard way.

 

[CPF]

I can remember using it in 1975,
father said it was very expensive but it was a godsend turned our farm around .

 

[Boysground]

I can remember the drill blocking with couch and trying to set light to it all every few runs Not something I ever want to do again.

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[lazy farmer]

Buy the books of frank Newton Turner. Especially fertility farming. It’s still in print. Try it. We found it a real revelation.
Back in the 1940s he was growing cover crops and weeds in between crops to make organic matter in the soil and then disc Harrow the lot back in. No ploughing involved and he had above avg yields without any man made sprays or fert.
Undoubtedly cropping is/will change/ing . We can either moan on about it or we can learn from and adapt systems from a pre sprays age to met the demands of today.

 

[farmerm]

Weed control.... rotation, cultivation, competition, chemical, without the last method we will have to find new ways to do the other three much better...

 

[Lazy Sod]

You can farm quite easily without roundup.

the wife uses more in the knapsack round the yard than I do on the Rest of the farm!

Tell us what your system is then @Drillman

 

[ajd132]

No till, mulches, inter row cultivation’s, permanent understories of clover, stripped straw mulches, cover crops. People are already on the way to doing it.
A full plough and cultivation system will not be affordable unless you are organic.

 

[Lazy Sod]

It seems to me that the most pertinent question is: how log does glyphosate remain viable when stored.

I've got some that I've had for years and it still works. It lasts a long time when it's been mixed as well.

 

[Drillman]

Tell us what your system is then @Drillman

1/3rd permanent grass 2/3rds arable (wheat, W barley, S barley, OSR, S oats not nessecerily in that order) currently 70/30 in favour of the plough. But looking at other options going forwards.

 

[farmerm]

No till, mulches, inter row cultivation’s, permanent understories of clover, stripped straw mulches, cover crops. People are already on the way to doing it.
A full plough and cultivation system will not be affordable unless you are organic.

Is it not funny how we all see the world differently.. to me inter row cultivations, permanent understories of clover, mulches and cover crops are all unaffordable unless you are organic

 

[ajd132]

Is it not funny how we all see the world differently.. to me inter row cultivations, permanent understories of clover, mulches and cover crops are all unaffordable unless you are organic

Why are they unaffordable?

 

[Banana Bar]

No till, mulches, inter row cultivation’s, permanent understories of clover, stripped straw mulches, cover crops. People are already on the way to doing it.
A full plough and cultivation system will not be affordable unless you are organic.

Agree on most of that although I can just remember “twitch” ( couch ) being a problem. It was the only stuff we ever sprayed glyphosate for. Inter row cults will make that worse rather than better. I don’t know what the answer will be however. We need glyphosate.