To all in Oz or NZ....or anywhere else

[le bon paysan]

can you tell me about pasture cropping please.

 

[combineguy]

@benferg
@JD-Kid
@FonterraFarmer

What do you want to know

 

[FonterraFarmer]

As in hay or silage???The mowers going back on the 900 in a several weeks time Or growing pasture like crop?

 

[Grazza]

Haven't seen it in the flesh but it involves using direct drill machinery to so sow winter active cereal crops into winter dormant perenial pasture. Livestock are grazed over summer through until autumn when light rates of knockdown herbicide is applied so as to kill annual weeds put not the pasture. It is very much a low input system meaning high yields are not the aim. Practioners will often graze off these crops over winter and only let them go to grain if the season is favourable.

 

[JD-Kid]

ummm strange i look to ozzie france turkey etc etc for grasses

fescues i'm putting on the back burner as soil fert is too low for them so leaves me for long term cockfoot ,alfalfa ,red clover platain, chicory ..

sub clovers and annual clovers a bit too much hit and miss , i have seen annuals grow OK over spring so i'll relook at them

ryegrass and white only good for a short term mix 1-3 years alot of pest and dry summers

the pic FF has above i'd give my left ball for i can't grow clover like that used to at last place but not here

 

[combineguy]

@JD-Kid

What are your olsen p levels?

Or is it something else stopping clover growth

 

[JD-Kid]

i did think a while back of doing a mix @benferg ask and report back sowing sub clover then in early summer graze hard sow rape in to the paddock 1/2 rate of rape the sub would have a chance to seed while rapes growing then as rapes grazed the sub seed gets stured up .. rape regrowth and sub over winter ,sub clover grazeing in spring trash in some rape again in late spring or grazeing oats etc etc the idea being the crop alows the sub to set seed

it may work in some parts of oz too

 

[JD-Kid]

native ground down around 9 better ground 23-26 ( yea a bit been put on over the years )

even the Luc seems poor at N fixing Ph up to 6.3 in some areas thing is the Ph is lifted by mg Sa and K our Ca levels are low .. i think thats were the prob lies clay ground with high sodium set's like rock in the dry can't get a grip on it in the wet

 

[SilliamWhale]

google Colin Seis

it is unlikely to work here because of our humid climate and our cool season perennials don't have a dormant phase when something else can grow.

 

[combineguy]

Ok

Dont you get good clover at levels over 30?

At 9 only native grasses will survive,

 

[JD-Kid]

add to that a Ph of 5.2-5.3 low S levels low copper high sodium high mag ... the joys of 100+ years of stock sold and no fert coastal land HAHAHA

tryed to DD 13 years ago total c0ck up so had to do tillage deep ripping helped alot heaps of lime up to 8 ton an Ha

 

[FonterraFarmer]

While we are on the subject of "total c0ck ups", can anyone guess what "crop" is suposed to be on the left of my tractor,in the neighbours paddock??? Was looking pretty good in that picture .

 

[combineguy]

Hi

Wow your cec (cation exchange capacity) must be low

 

[JD-Kid]

14-18CEC total base saturation% 38-76%

Ca BS% 17.1-56%
Mag BS% 9-19.5
K BS% 4.4-10.8
sodium BS% 1.1-3.5

sulphate S ug/u 8-25
Ext Org S ug/u 5-15

om around 5%
N per ha 100Kg ( USA test )

 

[benferg]

While we are on the subject of "total c0ck ups", can anyone guess what "crop" is suposed to be on the left of my tractor,in the neighbours paddock??? Was looking pretty good in that picture .

I see maize

 

[benferg]

just got back from drilling, need to hunt out a few soil tests to compare with JD's .

are you not on a basalt based soil where you are JD with the crater & all?

Sub clover I still drill the od bit on a mix now & again.

We can grow decent clover here, red clover is coming back into fashion for lamb fattening.

Hey @FonterraFarmer what went wrong that you were mowing that nice crop, need some lambs on it ;-)

 

[JD-Kid]

basalt base deep down with wind blown fines over top

funny thing is we grew the spreading red clover here and could get it to set seed good clover growing places could not .. but seeing they could not get it to set seed think it's off the market

 

[Baling Hay]

While we are on the subject of "total c0ck ups", can anyone guess what "crop" is suposed to be on the left of my tractor,in the neighbours paddock??? Was looking pretty good in that picture .

maize

 

[le bon paysan]

@benferg
@JD-Kid
@FonterraFarmer

What do you want to know

Looking at cropping oats at the moment. Something after westerwold clover mix.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

maize

At best, the allegation was that it s maize, Never ever seen anything like it before...