Tractors and Electronics Could Some Manufacturer Make a 150 HP Without Any?

Frank-the-Wool

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
We have two main tractors, both around 150 HP and fitted with loaders. One is a MF and the other a Valtra.
Being a mainly livestock farm, tractors are used regularly but for mostly feeding and short distance haulage. The multitude of electronics are seldom if ever used and when they are seem to cause many issues of error codes or total malfunction needing to call in the dealer to fix them.
Fortunately we keep them relatively new and tend to take out extended warranty. They are serviced by main dealers.

The latest issue on the Valtra is that it appears that the brakes have not been fully releasing, some complicated air and hydraulic system that is electronically operated. The mechanic is not sure whether it is just the electronic valve that is faulty or whether it has wrecked the brakes. Either way they are having to recover it to the dealership.
We went and collected a replacement that is their demonstrator that had only 200 hours on the clock.
We are busy planting forage crops so put it on the power harrow. It did one run down the field before an error message came up and the PTO would no longer work. Tried the obvious of switching it off and resetting electrics but still refused to work.
Phone call to the dealership and usual list of possible suggestions but none of them cure the problem. Coming in the morning with a new sensor of some sort.

So 3 days lost due to unnecessary bits of technology.

The MF is fortunately still working at the moment!!

Could someone not make a basic 150 HP tractor that just has a decent engine, simple gearbox, 2 speed PTO and some hydraulic spool valves all which are operated manually. Could be made much cheaper and repaired by anyone and the amount of unnecessary down time spent looking at a computer screen saved.
 

Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
I’m not sure about as big as150 hp, but Case & John Deere certainly still make basic, no frills ( even no cab if that is what rocks your boat ) tractors for a world market

maybe the UK just doesn’t get those models / or maybe there just isn’t enough demand for them ?
 
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Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
This is a bit off topic & 30 years out of date, but I have a Case 9260, 300hp 4wd tractor.
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In the operators manual, it talks about the “ROPS only, cabless model” 😮

Wow

just wow

can you imagine buying a tractor like that in the mid 90’s, without a cab ?
I don’t know which market the cabless version was sold into, but I’m guessing it was somewhere that labour was very cheap . . .
 

Dave W

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Location
chesterfield
Yeah Kubotas are pretty simple.

Also Zetors.

I see this a lot "we just want a simple no frills tractor"

Won't buy a Zetor or Belarus 🤷‍♂️
Exactly this.
i want a no frills tractor.
But actually i like changing gears without clutch and just pressing a button. And link arms that work on a handy little dial rather than heavy lever. And mudguard switches for link arms are handy. Oh and an air seat. I wouldn’t be without that. And so it goes on
 

hendrebc

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Livestock Farmer
I'm sure there are simpler tractors but not quite that big. Why does a livestock farm, well a mostly sheep farm, need such a big tractor anyway 🤔
not criticising your choice but am thinking of changing a tractor here and 75hp tractors are significantly cheaper than anything bigger because they don't need the extra emissions crap on them.
75hp would be fine for shifting a few bales and what little muck there is from sheep 🤔 not that long ago, well 30 years ago, our only loader was 65hp and my current one is only 85hp and I can't say I've ever really thought it wasn't big enough for feeding sheep. Thr extra expense is a lot for sheep to cover if you can do without it because the sheep don't care.
That is just me thinking out loud.
From what I've seen the simpler cases and deutz go up to about 120hp not really looked much further. The rest will be similar I'd imagine. They get more complicated as you get bigger.
 

ford 7810

Member
Location
cumbria
Exactly this.
i want a no frills tractor.
But actually i like changing gears without clutch and just pressing a button. And link arms that work on a handy little dial rather than heavy lever. And mudguard switches for link arms are handy. Oh and an air seat. I wouldn’t be without that. And so it goes on
Your quite right, and I’m as bad my N series Valtras both 11 reg are about as far as I want to go ,like you say button on gear leaver for clutch ,electric hydraulics ,air seat ,full suspension but still a lot of electric.
 

ford 7810

Member
Location
cumbria
We have two main tractors, both around 150 HP and fitted with loaders. One is a MF and the other a Valtra.
Being a mainly livestock farm, tractors are used regularly but for mostly feeding and short distance haulage. The multitude of electronics are seldom if ever used and when they are seem to cause many issues of error codes or total malfunction needing to call in the dealer to fix them.
Fortunately we keep them relatively new and tend to take out extended warranty. They are serviced by main dealers.

The latest issue on the Valtra is that it appears that the brakes have not been fully releasing, some complicated air and hydraulic system that is electronically operated. The mechanic is not sure whether it is just the electronic valve that is faulty or whether it has wrecked the brakes. Either way they are having to recover it to the dealership.
We went and collected a replacement that is their demonstrator that had only 200 hours on the clock.
We are busy planting forage crops so put it on the power harrow. It did one run down the field before an error message came up and the PTO would no longer work. Tried the obvious of switching it off and resetting electrics but still refused to work.
Phone call to the dealership and usual list of possible suggestions but none of them cure the problem. Coming in the morning with a new sensor of some sort.

So 3 days lost due to unnecessary bits of technology.

The MF is fortunately still working at the moment!!

Could someone not make a basic 150 HP tractor that just has a decent engine, simple gearbox, 2 speed PTO and some hydraulic spool valves all which are operated manually. Could be made much cheaper and repaired by anyone and the amount of unnecessary down time spent looking at a computer screen saved.
Maybe that’s part of the problem, you are using two tractors from the same tractor manufacturers. They are not the tractors they used to be ,cheap parts at big money.
 

DrDunc

Member
Mixed Farmer
Industrial evolution

We used to lift heavy weights, pull awkward levers, know how to operate a spade, get off the sofa to change channels

Manufacturers soon learned that there was more profit to be made by fitting buttons to control little electric motors, computer screens, how soft to set the air sprung cushioned seat

Soon an "operator" won't be required; one person in an office will "control" a fleet of tractors operating autonomously on big arable prairie lands

Finally freeing people from the drudgery of manual labour, providing time to watch more adverts, eat more food, consume more of the planet resources

Making more profit from the masses for the few



Simple 150hp tractor? What was wrong with three simple, electronic free 50hp tractors, needing three operators, providing wages for three families?
 
Refurbing not so simple, many parts for a 3350 are unavailable, if you want true mechanical.

10 series, 68 or 69, im not sure of parts availability, you'd need to do some research, or be prepaired to modify from original, which is probably wise.

Ant....
 

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