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[Mydexta]

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David Bonning. Absolute gentleman. Plough not currently allowed in English Classic Class, although probably allowed in Scotland, Ireland and Europe where the qualifying parameter is date of manufacture.

Don’t think we are allowed a ts97 frame, but are allowed bonning bodies.

 

[Cordiale]

Don’t think we are allowed a ts97 frame, but are allowed bonning bodies.

Absolutely crazy !!!

 

[Fergie Ploughman]

I do find the classic class a bit bizarre, it all seems far too restrictive. I kind off understand its beginnings ie to bring out of retirement the old world style ploughs (if I'm right?), but shouldn't it be simply open to ploughs that were manufactured between 1960 and 1976, and I mean serial manufacture by a plough manufacturer (which in my mind includes the Bonnings, RWM's, etc. What you wouldn't allow is home made specials built as one off's. Why is it so restrictive on what bodies and frames you can have ? There must be lots of old pre-76 world style ploughs redundant because of this (or maybe I'm wrong). Competition ploughing is exactly that, best ploughman with the best kit wins (unless its the one make class). A poor ploughman with a very posh plough can still be (and generally is) beaten by a good ploughman with lesser equipment. I do love the style of work the TCN's give and I'm much more attracted to that era of tractor so its all quite appealing to me.....one day I'll have a go!

Maybe you need to rename the classis class to the "Ransome TS86 (or its look-a-like) with TCN bodies" class....

 

[Howard150]

I do find the classic class a bit bizarre, it all seems far too restrictive. I kind off understand its beginnings ie to bring out of retirement the old world style ploughs (if I'm right?), but shouldn't it be simply open to ploughs that were manufactured between 1960 and 1976, and I mean serial manufacture by a plough manufacturer (which in my mind includes the Bonnings, RWM's, etc. What you wouldn't allow is home made specials built as one off's. Why is it so restrictive on what bodies and frames you can have ? There must be lots of old pre-76 world style ploughs redundant because of this (or maybe I'm wrong). Competition ploughing is exactly that, best ploughman with the best kit wins (unless its the one make class). A poor ploughman with a very posh plough can still be (and generally is) beaten by a good ploughman with lesser equipment. I do love the style of work the TCN's give and I'm much more attracted to that era of tractor so its all quite appealing to me.....one day I'll have a go!

Maybe you need to rename the classis class to the "Ransome TS86 (or its look-a-like) with TCN bodies" class....

Always been a big exponent of keeping the classic class as it first started here in . I have seen a lot of ploughs manufactured in that era being used in other countries nationals and have modified (softened) my viewpoint to some degree. The right plough in the right hands will still win out. TCN’s or RWM’s are still hard to beat if used right.
With regard to plough manufacture, the use of TS86 copies has now been sanctioned. A lot of them about Charlie.
With regard to Bonning TS97’s, a TS 90 is allowed which is basically what a TS97 is.

 

[Dealer]

With regard to Bonning TS97’s, a TS 90 is allowed which is basically what a TS97 is

Frames but not Bonning boards

I keep saying that instead of a new class for classic reversible they should have started a new class

Classic world style class - open to all tractors until say 1985 and all plough types

this would find a use for all the KV type and fiskars, Bonnings, Duncans, ext these can be pulled by smaller tractors, without the need for 12 ton truck to get to matches.

classic would stay as it is unless you wanted to ban RWM,s

Classic is not exclusive to TCN or RWM,s lots of guys using YL,s Epic & some David Browns, due to their tractor being to young to plough vintage


often wondered what would happen if we all ploughed in 1 class ie vintage & Classic

my thoughts were that most judges ploughed vintage or trailer so the like the narrow yl bodied work against the broken work of a TCN.

 

[Roy Stokes]

often wondered what would happen if we all ploughed in 1 class ie vintage & Classic

The same names would crop up week in week out but a bit more diluted on repeated winnings due to more competition concentrated in one area.
The main problem as I see it is if you plough vintage and then have to compete against a classic plough you are disadvantaged, the 86 frame is longer and heavier than say a Robin and will make a difference in tough conditions, likewise a 97 will be heavier again and give advantages at times, the ability to plough deeper with a classic mouldboard will also help through ever deeper tramlines and uneven field that modern farming seems to offer, send a ploughman who is used to the latest all singing/dancing reversible off with a Ransomes 300 series or Dowdeswell DP8 and you will get the picture, machines progress so I see no point in lumping everyone together

 

[Dealer]

often wondered what would happen if we all ploughed in 1 class ie vintage & Classic

I did not mean to create 1 class forever just the odd match

Bob read did it at lower Penn, and vintage won most of the time, probably more to do with the bloke on the seat than the plough used, but my thought was be interested to see how close the best in both classes did against each other

perhaps a 2 day match with a swap over of kit with an aggregate score

even the good guys have a bad day, Ive heard on the grapevine that a student beat her teacher at the weekend !!!!

 

[Mydexta]

often wondered what would happen if we all ploughed in 1 class ie vintage & Classic

NO NO NO NO


We do that a lot up here, instead of vintage and classic we have 10” and 12”.

A lot of these matches are fairly open, which leads to issues as lots of the vintage people get upset at people using rwms and tcns against epics and yls.
Also, if there isn’t enough entries for the world style conventional class, they get thrown in with the 12” class which makes a mockery of a few things.


The way I see it, we could all take a lesson from the football world.

Brasil against Argentina in the World Cup final use the same rules as the local Sunday league boys teams.

Why do we not do the same, with everyone all employing the same rules and allowing the same things in each class?????

 

[massey765]

often wondered what would happen if we all ploughed in 1 class ie vintage & Classic

I did not mean to create 1 class forever just the odd match

Bob read did it at lower Penn, and vintage won most of the time, probably more to do with the bloke on the seat than the plough used, but my thought was be interested to see how close the best in both classes did against each other

perhaps a 2 day match with a swap over of kit with an aggregate score

even the good guys have a bad day, Ive heard on the grapevine that a student beat her teacher at the weekend !!!!

owt ta do with you Roy

 

[Howard150]

A veritable hornets nest. At your National the min width for Classic is 11”- which was brought in (please correct me if I am wrong) to try and limit the number of vintage ploughmen causing a surfeit of entries in the Classic Class in the days before plough offs.
11” might well be ok in the soils commonly encountered north of the wall but down here 10 1/2 is far better. Similarly a lot of trailer ploughs if set up by some of the old hands, were set at anywhere between 9 and 9 1/2.
Far far too many rules and qualifying statements - depth being another. Many of us feel that this should be at the discretion of the ploughman. Not really an issue or advantage given the right judge who knows what he is looking at or more to the point what he is walking ‘on’ or yet more to the point ‘in’

 

[Roy Stokes]

owt ta do with you Roy

Yes Ben, what a disgrace

 

[Farmerpickle]

There is no mention of the DB C type match plough, were they any good?

 

[Howard150]

There is no mention of the DB C type match plough, were they any good?

Some things are better left unsaid. Most C types are used with TCN Bodies anyway. Bit of a love them or loathe them scenario.
Personally did not get on with the one I used. The wheel works forward of the mounting shaft and not rearwards as does a Ransomes, the adjusting threads are too fine as are those on the cross shaft. The folded main beam obscures the view through the plough. You might well also need a new and much larger toolbox to keep the myriad of spanners you will need for adjustment. Never in my life have I encountered a plough which required as many different spanner sizes. Lifting legs is virtually impossible.
Beware in advance as the term match plough can be loosely applied by anybody who has used one in a match. There are at least two frame widths, the match plough being fitted with the narrow one. Commercial ones were much wider, being 14 or 16”
Each to his own.

 

[Farmerpickle]

Some things are better left unsaid. Most C types are used with TCN Bodies anyway. Bit of a love them or loathe them scenario.
Personally did not get on with the one I used. The wheel works forward of the mounting shaft and not rearwards as does a Ransomes, the adjusting threads are too fine as are those on the cross shaft. The folded main beam obscures the view through the plough. You might well also need a new and much larger toolbox to keep the myriad of spanners you will need for adjustment. Never in my life have I encountered a plough which required as many different spanner sizes. Lifting legs is virtually impossible.
Beware in advance as the term match plough can be loosely applied by anybody who has used one in a match. There are at least two frame widths, the match plough being fitted with the narrow one. Commercial ones were much wider, being 14 or 16”
Each to his own.

That explains why none are used at the nationals in the classic class. I take it you loathe them, as do many other ploughmen. Many thanks for your reply.

 

[Howard150]

That explains why none are used at the nationals in the classic class. I take it you loathe them, as do many other ploughmen. Many thanks for your reply.

Jeremy Jacobs Roberts has one which he used to use to good effect but uses an 86 now. Paul Studley still uses one. Both had TCN’s on.
It is possible to make a good job with one, but in my eyes, using them takes a lot of the pleasure out of ploughing.