Tumosan 8095?

[celtis man]

3000 would have disappeared before you turned the key in the Belarus.

The whole point is Wellytrack is the Belarus is half the money anyway
I am not saying buy one but it makes me think.
My brother told me a tale last night of a chap who needed to change his totally worn out tractor and went looking, s/h were£30odd k but he ended up with a new 100 HP global Massey with loader for £65 k !
Just to feed some bullocks

 

[Wellytrack]

The whole point is Wellytrack is the Belarus is half the money anyway
I am not saying buy one but it makes me think.
My brother told me a tale last night of a chap who needed to change his totally worn out tractor and went looking, s/h were£30odd k but he ended up with a new 100 HP global Massey with loader for £65 k !
Just to feed some bullocks

I’m not looking at this from a new vs new comparison, as I said before you are paying too much for outdated machinery.

 

[celtis man]

I’m not looking at this from a new vs new comparison, as I said before you are paying too much for outdated machinery.

Yes but that is the trade.
Of course Inflation don't exist but you could say everything is over valued

 

[Machinery_nut]

A 2002 NH or JD is arguably “ outdated “ machinery today yet is more expensive than a 2022 Tumosan so everything is expensive,a small holding probably doesn’t need cab suspension or thirty gear options

 

[daveydiesel1]

Zetor should not be put in the same bracket as Tumosan , Zetor aren’t cheap anymore for starters and secondly have a rich heritage, they were good tractors

Thats the problem, zetor used to sell lots of tractors as they were cheap but now they dont sell many as theyr too expensive

 

[Machinery_nut]

Thats the problem, zetor used to sell lots of tractors as they were cheap but now they dont sell many as theyr too expensive

A forty year old Zetor in Ireland commands as much as a MF 590 etc

 

[michael N123]

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The whole point is Wellytrack is the Belarus is half the money anyway
I am not saying buy one but it makes me think.
My brother told me a tale last night of a chap who needed to change his totally worn out tractor and went looking, s/h were£30odd k but he ended up with a new 100 HP global Massey with loader for £65 k !
Just to feed some bullocks

If you’ve got a trade in the monthly payments arent really that bad on basic tractors for the work they do…

 

[steveR]

A forty year old Zetor in Ireland commands as much as a MF 590 etc

Yep still good demand for them.

 

[celtis man]

If you’ve got a trade in the monthly payments arent really that bad on basic tractors for the work they do…

Your attitude to debt is a bit different to some of the beef cow men I know

 

[michael N123]

Your attitude to debt is a bit different to some of the beef cow men I know

I like comfort and everything working

 

[celtis man]

I like comfort and everything working

Mm some I know are tighter than hell and won't do that sort of thing .

 

[celtis man]

Mm some I know are tighter than hell and won't do that sort of thing .

I like comfort and everything working

It's sad really the old fellas got through driving their old fordson major's and such like .
When they died they left a few quid behind

 

[Galcam]

Celtis Man, I’m told that the last cheque you write before death should bounce….,it shows you have lived a real life

 

[Wellytrack]

I’m not advocating that stock men should have 50k all bells and whistles tractors, far from it. I don’t see what’s so confusing or controversial.

People seem to be reconciling themselves that buying a basic new is as good or better than buying S/H, focus on the new price of said ‘bargain’ model whilst ignoring residuals, never mind possibly hating every second spent in the thing, as ever in typical TFF fashion apples are not being compared to apples.

Do the sums with everything thrown in it rarely stacks up as well as people think. Think about the models of tractors that are still sought, still making loads of money, are genuinely held in much regard - then think about the company’s who are making an imitation of such machines and ask your self will people be forming an orderly queue for a lightly used Bellarsekuhnt in 6 to 10 years.

 

[Galcam]

Some guys look at price and that does it for them, others look at brand and options and perceived quality and resaleability, desirability, enjoyment of using the machine and health benefits and price is just a number. We’re all different in how we make out decisions. I’m the latter happily as I believe I only live once….it’s true isn’t it..not fake news

 

[tractorsandcows]

It's sad really the old fellas got through driving their old fordson major's and such like .
When they died they left a few quid behind

The majors were state of the art at that time Reason people don't leave money now is the lack of profit in farming Farm produce prices have failed to keep up with machinery prices since the 80's

 

[daveydiesel1]

The majors were state of the art at that time Reason people don't leave money now is the lack of profit in farming Farm produce prices have failed to keep up with machinery prices since the 80's

Thats not technically true. Back in the 80s a fairly average tractor round here would of been 80-100hp. The big timmers had 100hp 6pot 4wd and the smaller farmers had 80hp 4pot 2wd. Plus back then lots of farmers did thier own silage and all the slurry, now they need at least 150hp and dont cut the silage and a pile of the slurry is done by contractor. Today a 80-100hp tractor isnt extortion and could easily be paid over 3-4 years by an average sized livestock farm. The problem is most want big with vario,elec spools,50k,suspension, front links pto, massive tyres and screens etc etc all of which adds lots of money onto the tractor

 

[celtis man]

Tractor's are like girlfriends , some are so bad but do this one thing that makes you come back for more !

 

[Thomas5060]

Thats not technically true. Back in the 80s a fairly average tractor round here would of been 80-100hp. The big timmers had 100hp 6pot 4wd and the smaller farmers had 80hp 4pot 2wd. Plus back then lots of farmers did thier own silage and all the slurry, now they need at least 150hp and dont cut the silage and a pile of the slurry is done by contractor. Today a 80-100hp tractor isnt extortion and could easily be paid over 3-4 years by an average sized livestock farm. The problem is most want big with vario,elec spools,50k,suspension, front links pto, massive tyres and screens etc etc all of which adds lots of money onto the tractor

Nobody changes like for like anymore and wonder why they are so dear. I know people changing from a 7840 to a T7.210 and then complain about the price. Bet if I went to change my 2wd 390 for a like for like new one, I bet the price wouldn’t be too out of this world

 

[smcapstick]

How would they stand up to loader work with a shear grab? Whats parts availability like? And what price would a say 80-100hp with a loader be?

Terribly, would be anyone’s educated guess.
They are a small, light tractor. Totally useless for loader and shear grab work.

I like the look of them. I’d quite like one, really. But I’d buy a second machine for the shear grab - even if it was just an old MF 50 or similar.