UK Farming Protest - Start organising...

[glasshouse]

Subs are being capped at zero haven’t you heard?

Not at knepp estate

 

[Bury the Trash]

Subs are being capped at zero haven’t you heard?

no i hadnt sfi has an upper limit does it?

 

[L P]

no i hadnt sfi has an upper limit does it?

Why do you class SFI as a subsidy?

 

[Bury the Trash]

Why do you class SFI as a subsidy?

call it what you like , Its money from the government same as all the other payments in the past , the bigger the (arable) farm the more money will be had with no upper cap.

i might be wrong tho.

I would protest about wayleaves on utility poles and NG infrastructure to be far higher , another failure of the nfu.

 

[Devil's advocate]

We cant all use old ones, there wont be enough to go around as they lay down and die
Father in law used to buy two at a time in the 70s, money on the nail, (mostly 450 acres rented)

David browns( No comment)

Could you buy a couple of Tafe's?

 

[Two Tone]

Why do you class SFI as a subsidy?

I’m with you on SFI not really being a subsidy.
It is money for doing something else , rather than that actual growing of a cash crop.
Hence the word ‘Incentive’.

It must be remembered that it is often money for replacing cash crops with an alternative environmental crop.
Therefore it is replacing a subsidy for growing a food crop, of which the cash income will no longer be received.

IMO, I think it is all wrong, but I’m not looking any gift-horses in the mouth while it is available.

The other thing to remember, although it is only so during the lifetime of this Government (which will end shortly) is that the SFI income is ring-fenced from the total amount of BPS and former CS money paid to all farmers, before SFI and any new extra CS agreement took place.

What the tw@‘s at Defra have forgotten that taking land out of food production, means it will be green elsewhere, far less environmentallly sound. In effect exporting our CO2 problem to somewhere else in the world.

It’s fecking madness! But it will win votes from ignorant people and someone will get a ‘gong’ for it which like Paula Vennals, they absolutely do not deserve!

 

[Matt14]

I'm reading though All the comments and the one thing that stands out is we as farmers have no guidance. So why not start at the beginning, protest the likes of the nfu for not standing up for us all these years. Make them do the leg work or we'll course mayhem like the French.

 

[neilo]

I'm reading though All the comments and the one thing that stands out is we as farmers have no guidance. So why not start at the beginning, protest the likes of the nfu for not standing up for us all these years. Make them do the leg work or we'll course mayhem like the French.

You want to protest about the existence of the NFU, an organisation that only exists, whether the TFF shouters like it or not, because enough farmers still choose, voluntary, to pay a membership fee?

The NFU is an internal issue for uk ag to sort out, or not. As is RT, etc.

 

[Devil's advocate]

call it what you like , Its money from the government same as all the other payments in the past , the bigger the (arable) farm the more money will be had with no upper cap.

i might be wrong tho.

I would protest about wayleaves on utility poles and NG infrastructure to be far higher , another failure of the nfu.

Do you think it is wrong that large livestock farms recieve more subs than smaller arable farms?

It dosen't bother me but plenty of hill graziers have had hundreds of thousands to de stock moorland & turn it into a tinder box.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Do you think it is wrong that large livestock farms recieve more subs than smaller arable farms?

It dosen't bother me but plenty of hill graziers have had hundreds of thousands to de stock moorland & turn it into a tinder box.

i dont know enough about it all ongoing tbh.

but looking back a lot of the money that the really big landowners got on area payments / bps /subsidy with no upper limit and especially so grossly over the top for some , well that money couldve gone to other things like keeping more local abattoirs /infrastructure going /rebuilt and similar worthy uses but no not even the nfu wanted that I often wonder why ?

 

[primmiemoo]

Probably stuff like this...

BBC editor paid to help 15 Somalian criminals stay in the UK quits

Last year, The Mail on Sunday exposed how Mary Harper, Africa Editor for the World Service, was paid to give expert witness evidence for Somali gang rapist Yaqub Ahmed during his five-year legal battle.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Leftys want them to stay in the uk as might get hurt if they returned back to their own country. But your labelled right wing if you demand foreign criminals should be deported ASAP and consequences are their own problem, should not have done the crime in the first place...

Ah, it can only be a good thing to pick out the wrong ones. The problems come when labels left or right come into play. The way politics has become super-polarised is horrible and dangerous. Rancid trump and the poo tin monster have so much to answer for.

But in respect to genuine reasons why farmers are having problems ~ we must rise above all that divisiveness. Get basic facts about how farming is being punished for doing the right things, such as in maintaining carbon banks (currently completely ignored by SFI), and by already having reduced carbon emissions. Farmers should not be punished for having done good.

 

[The F in Farmer]

Listening to the media, and seeing the discontent in Europe, 20 countrys, farmer protests, Our years of discontent seems to disapate and are going down the drain
The more Europe protests, we step back and look down on them with a high and mighty attitude

Or are the the NFU officers saying"there s a better way, keep the public on board, the enviroment " IT IS !!!!!!!

What has talking to the GOV done for us,
How do we compete with the National Trust and the RSPB ect and their numbers? WE CAN NT

And they, the GOV want Farmers to save net zero for, their voters, the public, while everyone party as before, because the countryside is the salvation to everything, with only a few pheasants to control, throw them some tit bits, and all will be ok. Their union is filled with wanabe poloticians, playing musical chairs, trying to save their own skin. NO PROBLEM

All we have is that we 100 000 farmers produce food for 33 million people on this island of ours. THATS THE ONLY CARD WE CAN PLAY
Yet some people on this forum treat the seriousness of the situation in our industry like they are on the BREXIT THREAD

The media keep whatching and asking, what are we doing, going to do.
OR IS EVERYTHING SO MUCH BETTER HERE in the UK, than in Europe (this is not an old can to be opened, not here)
YOU VE NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD Because without some kind of protest, that is what you are telling joe public

The old saying goes "farmers are always grumbling,"(publics perception) "but when they stop, there s real problems" probably because the re organising their sale.

Your statistics are wrong

 

[Devil's advocate]

i dont know enough about it all ongoing tbh.

but looking back a lot of the money that the really big landowners got on area payments / bps /subsidy with no upper limit and especially so grossly over the top for some , well that money couldve gone to other things like keeping more local abattoirs /infrastructure going /rebuilt and similar worthy uses but no not even the nfu wanted that I often wonder why ?

Why do we have subs?

Is it to produce cheap food

Or to deliver enviromental outcomes that some see as needed (I don't but it is tax payers money)

Or social engineering to keep the sucessful farmers down & keep the less sucessful ones living in a way to which they enjoy.

I'm a small slightly left of centre farmer 220 acres, but have no issue with those who deliver more outcomes getting more subs. Otherwise we may as well have a universal social sercurity payment for everyone (I don't support that).

 

[Matt14]

You want to protest about the existence of the NFU, an organisation that only exists, whether the TFF shouters like it or not, because enough farmers still choose, voluntary, to pay a membership fee?

The NFU is an internal issue for uk ag to sort out, or not. As is RT, etc.

Not the existence. The lack of use they are.

You want to protest about the existence of the NFU, an organisation that only exists, whether the TFF shouters like it or not, because enough farmers still choose, voluntary, to pay a membership fee?

The NFU is an internal issue for uk ag to sort out, or not. As is RT, etc.

 

[primmiemoo]

What's the update with person behind it then as that logo gone viral now allegedly??

The slogan is traceable to 2022. It comes from a far right think tank organisation in the US that's founded by individuals who reject all health and safety measures in business, and are, in effect, pro- anything that dismantles workforce rights. The same think tank is demonstrably the source of climate change myths and disinformation, and also medical disinformation about the pandemic. Dark money sponsored.

The failed journalist has already acted as an amplifier for them. I don't know if you know how twitter rewards influencers. He's expected to be readying himself for monetising his account and to start it ~

(Ought to credit this image to its medical scientist creator, @takethatct)

 

[primmiemoo]

That is the best post so far.

Yes things are very wrong, but there is a very real danger of farmers & truckers & other decent people been used.

Use democracy, vote for who ever you believe in, peacefully protest, write letters but violent protest is not right for Anglo Saxons .

Yes. We can see just how those Canadian truckers trucked willingly into becoming used.

(I'm not Anglo Saxon, btw. I'm a Brit with different ethnic make up than that.)

 

[primmiemoo]

AI generated I believe, odd wheels and tracks dotted all over for some reason?

Something called Dallee (or Dallii?) which is AI picture generating.

 

[Devil's advocate]

Yes. We can see just how those Canadian truckers trucked willingly into becoming used.

(I'm not Anglo Saxon, btw. I'm a Brit with different ethnic make up than that.)

Proud of Celtic ancestory or immigrant ancestors?

I'm part Irish but consider myself Anglo Saxon.

 

[primmiemoo]

Proud of Celtic ancestory or immigrant ancestors?

I'm part Irish but consider myself Anglo Saxon.

Kernewek ov vy, vy

(So a fairly standard, traditional mishmash from the southwest peninsula)

 

[Still Farming]

The slogan is traceable to 2022. It comes from a far right think tank organisation in the US that's founded by individuals who reject all health and safety measures in business, and are, in effect, pro- anything that dismantles workforce rights. The same think tank is demonstrably the source of climate change myths and disinformation, and also medical disinformation about the pandemic. Dark money sponsored.

The failed journalist has already acted as an amplifier for them. I don't know if you know how twitter rewards influencers. He's expected to be readying himself for monetising his account and to start it ~

(Ought to credit this image to its medical scientist creator, @takethatct)

So that slogan farming for clicks is a joke at it too or what?
Lots using no farmers no food one but do they know the story behind it?
Or just use anyhow?