- Location
- Ceredigion, wales
Didn't someone say on here they were 7k a pop?
UK Feed lots ?
- Thread starter Clive
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Northeastfarmer
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- Location
- Cleveland
multi power
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- Location
- pembrokeshire
I'm sure I have seen or heard of it before, either that or I dreamed it up
Forever Fendt
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- Location
- Derbyshire
As you are allowed to build fences 1.8m high to contain livestock i wonder if you could build one of these for 5/600 cattle without planning permission without any roof
Wolds Beef
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@yellowbelly You beat me to it!! If you look to the south east of Horncastle on google you can still see them at Ashby Puerorum near Tetford. I used to deliver sugar beet into there with the old lorry we used to run. They once said that if they blood tested the American army stationed in this country they would no if meat by products passed on bse as many of the cattle fattened by Franz Buitelaar went into burger meat for the Yanks.!! He also bought a lot of sheep out of the border marts like Wooler and St Boswells and if hi agents were not doing there job properly he would go himself and stand at the entrance to the ring. Handling a few stores as they went past him. He would this for a spell, buy so many lots then tell his agent to do better and move on to the next mart. This is true as my father saw him do it while he was there to buy for outwintering in Lincolnshire as mentioned in another thread. @Clive
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Lovegoodstock
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- Location
- Buckinghamshire
Technically and to be precise yes, even with regular routine of walking over same route/ scales/ crush there is stress, loss of weight for two days post handling. Not accurate, but im old school, stockmanship is cheap. I feed drive around 220 stores, you spot non doers. Ok as @Northeastfarmer farmer stated when they cost more than they are converting they are too dear, agree, obviously, be surprised if im way out and think youd be surprised how you would pick one costing you more than gaining, ok with feed lot of 1/2/3 thousand a touch harder, but rearing batches of same age cattle, you take them as a job lot, ok be better if one heifer say was not gaining like others and would have been better killed 6 weeks earlier, but a loss of 10 ppk or feeding a few quid a day to gain a couple on one over those numbers, doesn't warrant an awful lot of time/expense. I run a reasonable amount of numbers, with minimal staff, fully admit I don't monitor exact dlwg, but know if stock are doing or not, could have a full time employee, to weigh weekly, but why, an awful amount of money to earn back, especially as 95 per cent of ones doing well will take a couple of days to make up what they have lost due to process
- Location
- Bedfordshire
The cost or running cattle through a race in labour and loss of gain, I expect would out weigh the cost of a missed poor doer.
gone up the hill
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- Location
- Devon
All fhinshing cattle should be weighed monthly, if you have the right set up and good stockman/woman they shouldn't get stressed and lose any weight by weighing them.
Very few stock people can spot a poor doer when cattle are fit and look well and aren't far off fhinshing, they will still be costing £1.50 head a day to feed so £45 a month per head even if they aren't putting down weight anymore so yes weighing cattle monthly is VITAL.
The other issue of course now is the cattle getting too heavy and thus getting deducted when they are killed for being overweight so again another reason why to weigh cattle monthly.
As for all these fancy new weigh ideas, they will add a lot of cost for very little benefit, kiss should be your aim.
Very few stock people can spot a poor doer when cattle are fit and look well and aren't far off fhinshing, they will still be costing £1.50 head a day to feed so £45 a month per head even if they aren't putting down weight anymore so yes weighing cattle monthly is VITAL.
The other issue of course now is the cattle getting too heavy and thus getting deducted when they are killed for being overweight so again another reason why to weigh cattle monthly.
As for all these fancy new weigh ideas, they will add a lot of cost for very little benefit, kiss should be your aim.
Why ? the benefit will be knowing the weight without any work, a spin off will be knowing if the animal hasn't drunk for a while
if it works it would soon pay for itself, a bit like having a robot doing the milking instead of paying a worker
the bigger the numbers the sooner it will pay
marco
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- Location
- tipperary, ireland
Do all uk cattle have eid tags? The first problem here would be you'd have to buy electronic tags for all bought in cattle
If it had a second side gate on it that could be programmed to release the beast when it reached target weight or even its dlwg was low over a few weights then it could save the work of drafting as well. Be handy tool if you had numbers to justify it.
Hilly
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- Location
- Scottish Borders.
If i was employing a man to do nothing but feed cattle i think id want 3 thousand for him to feed, i feed 500 everyday in an hour but i have every single mortal thing on the farm to do also, a 20 cube wagon would have 3000 fed before lunch.
We could feed over 1100 with a 24 cube wagon. Not much silage, but 2 mixes.
- Location
- Fife
Such food/water trough auto drafter and monitoring systems have been used with indoor pigs for many years, both for the sow herd and finishing stock.
They also allow easy isolation of a target animal without stressing the rest of the mob. I believe they would be of great benefit for use with ruminants as well, especially in a feedlot situation. I think regular weight monitoring of all stock will become increasingly important in raising efficiency of the flock/herd as a whole. To my mind, this is one of the strengths of a combi clamp (or Te Pari) which incorporates automatic weight recording into all other management tasks.
Of course, simply collecting data is useless unless that data is then analysed and acted upon.
Newby
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- Location
- East Yorkshire
How big are the pens you think good stockspeople can pull out of without stressing or exciting the animals off feed?
You'd have to have quiet animals to begin with to not have one crazy infect all the others with some stress when handling, no matter your system. And unless your own sizes are in the dozens you're probably not even going to get them out of the pen and to the facilities without some excitement from them.
Then you take into account that even just running 200 head through a chute to weigh will take a couple hours so now they've been off feed for time.
It's causing a loss no matter how you do it. You're just able to minimalize the loss and the decide if that extra work and loss is worth it to you.
And of all the finishers started to analyse results, there may be a situation of having no finishers left