UK supermarket to make plant-based food range cost the same as meat equivalents

Humble Village Farmer

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They like the taste of meat but don't agree with slaughter, which is fair enough why are people saying im a vegan lol
There's still a few places in the world where they seem quite happy to slaughter people for various reasons. Saudi Arabia springs to mind. They'll probably carry on eating meat for a while yet. Not quite so sentimental you see.
 

Jackov Altraids

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They like the taste of meat but don't agree with slaughter, which is fair enough why are people saying im a vegan lol

That probably isn't quite true. People are turning to veganism due to the lies propagated by the few who are vehemently opposed to meat.
We are all being so shielded from reality in the modern world that society lacks any proper perspective.
I hated watching wildlife programs when I was young as I hated seeing animals killing each other. These days that element just doesn't get shown.
It is also converse that people often object to eating beef and lamb as they enjoy seeing them running around the field. They much prefer chicken and pork as they never see those animals.
Ultimately, every living thing dies. We can only hope the end is quick and painless.
Now that sustainability is be appreciated, livestock farming with its self-financing 24hr animal care, negligible carbon footprint and healthy food production should be held in the highest regard.
 

Macsky

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To me, that smacks of a combination of hypocrisy and willful ignorance. These same people would go on dirt-cheap holidays and eat meat from animals which have not been slaughtered humanely, and not bat an eyelid.
Hypocrisy and ignorance for sure, no mention of the vast vast acreages of monocropped ground involved in making the feed stock for this imitation food, and the whole host of biodiversity sacrificed for it.
 

Cowabunga

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You take the organised slaughter of the animals versus death by predation in nature, it doesn’t seem quite so distasteful then! What a pile of pansies we’re turning into in the west!
I agree entirely. However the two are only linked if you think of humans being part of nature and the ultimate predator apart from parasites.
 

Nort o the Galt

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That probably isn't quite true. People are turning to veganism due to the lies propagated by the few who are vehemently opposed to meat.
We are all being so shielded from reality in the modern world that society lacks any proper perspective.
I hated watching wildlife programs when I was young as I hated seeing animals killing each other. These days that element just doesn't get shown.
It is also converse that people often object to eating beef and lamb as they enjoy seeing them running around the field. They much prefer chicken and pork as they never see those animals.
Ultimately, every living thing dies. We can only hope the end is quick and painless.
Now that sustainability is be appreciated, livestock farming with its self-financing 24hr animal care, negligible carbon footprint and healthy food production should be held in the highest regard.
I see the "Vegan superfood" lot as the latest "Snake oil" peddlers. The sad reality is there will always be gullible people queuing up to buy it!
 

Wellytrack

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There are some who will be genuinely well intentioned believing they are doing some good. Some too who are against the idea of animals being farmed for food.

They are entitled to their opinion. Unfortunately such is the emotional entrenchment of their position it's extremely unlikely they will listen or read an alternative opinion.
 

Jackov Altraids

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There are some who will be genuinely well intentioned believing they are doing some good. Some too who are against the idea of animals being farmed for food.

They are entitled to their opinion. Unfortunately such is the emotional entrenchment of their position it's extremely unlikely they will listen or read an alternative opinion.

A simple brush with reality should be sufficient for most.
We are part of the circle of life, not the master of it.
I overheard some of the Jeremy Vine show today and there were a lot complaining about damage by rabbits. Firstly, do vegans not wonder how their food is produced as it probably involves the death of more creatures than the 1 producing meat and,
Secondly, if rabbits need to be controlled, would it not be the most sustainable answer to eat them....
 

Highland Mule

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They like the taste of meat but don't agree with slaughter, which is fair enough why are people saying im a vegan lol

And yet far more animals are killed to put the vegetables on my plate than the steak. I guess that insects and plant vermin just aren’t as cute as cows so the vegan types don’t see them as important.
 

Jackov Altraids

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Yes, more and more people think that way. To tell you the truth, I try to put the slaughter of the animals out of my mind as much as possible because although I am a copious and enthusiastic meat eater, I find the thought of the animals being slaughtered quite distasteful. In a hundred year's time I suspect people then will look back at it as being quite barbaric. However, those animals would never have existed and be appreciated and pretty-well pampered by the majority of farmers if not for their produce, be it meat, milk or eggs. I'm fairly sure that cattle generally really like being alive while they are.

The producing of food is something that a huge proportion of the developed world has the luxury of putting' out of their mind'.
If their lives depended on what they could grow then they would soon be shooting pigeons and killing rabbits.
As a livestock farmer that cares for animals from conception to slaughter I understand the literal need for the animals to 'move on' to make way for the next generation. If they didn't get eaten they wouldn't have a life at all.

I do fear that civil unrest and climate change will put huge pressures on producing enough food to feed the world without causing a collapse of the ecosystem. This will force people to become a little less 'precious' about what they eat in the same way that the pandemic has silenced the world on the use of single use plastics. Used mask for anyone?....
 

DaveGrohl

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And yet far more animals are killed to put the vegetables on my plate than the steak. I guess that insects and plant vermin just aren’t as cute as cows so the vegan types don’t see them as important.
But considering such things would require a second lap of the goldfish bowl, and that would never do.
 

Ted M

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And yet far more animals are killed to put the vegetables on my plate than the steak. I guess that insects and plant vermin just aren’t as cute as cows so the vegan types don’t see them as important.
When I worked on a large arable farm on my college middle year we spent several weeks prior to spring planting of sugar beet and vegetables gassing and blocking up rabbit burrows.
 

Sid

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You’re talking about ‘equivalent’ pricing as if they’re equivalent products, but meat and dairy alternatives are usually inferior in taste and nutrition.
Take Quorn as an example, made by propagating the Fusarium Venenatum fungus in vast vertical stainless steel tanks by sparging a gas through a chemical soup, before heating the fibrous mush to reduce the excessive ribonucleic acid, and adding in egg white and palm oil. The resultant product has little taste, and the consistency of cold puke.
The Monde Nissin corporation price it to maximise their profits, not because they care about the planet or any green ideals beyond the colour of money. If that wasn’t the case they wouldn’t be using palm oil and contributing towards deforestation and habitat destruction.
But as long as Mo Farah tells the public they’re ‘saving the planet’ they’ll be guilt tripped into buying the synthetic ultra processed goop, and feeding it to their kids.

Need a good steak for a boost?
 

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