Ukraine war

[warksfarmer]

Not saying it’s wrong for us to help but why are we at the forefront or that’s what it seems to me anyway. I’m not referring to the aid but in terms of military assistance and our government visiting regularly.
What’s it got to do with us really? Ukraine used to be part of the USSR and there’s been ongoing issues on eastern border for many years.
I don’t believe Putin wants to invade the rest of Europe either as he knows that would lead to WW3 and then he’d loose.

 

[Oldmacdonald]

Not saying it’s wrong for us to help but why are we at the forefront or that’s what it seems to me anyway. I’m not referring to the aid but in terms of military assistance and our government visiting regularly.
What’s it got to do with us really? Ukraine used to be part of the USSR and there’s been ongoing issues on eastern border for many years.
I don’t believe Putin wants to invade the rest of Europe either as he knows that would lead to WW3 and then he’d loose.

We are miles from being at the forefront.

The rest of your post isn't worth the reply.

 

[Two Tone]

Not saying it’s wrong for us to help but why are we at the forefront or that’s what it seems to me anyway. I’m not referring to the aid but in terms of military assistance and our government visiting regularly.
What’s it got to do with us really? Ukraine used to be part of the USSR and there’s been ongoing issues on eastern border for many years.
I don’t believe Putin wants to invade the rest of Europe either as he knows that would lead to WW3 and then he’d loose.

Because Ukraine’s food helped keep food prices low in the UK.
Putin is a sh!te stirring leader who thinks he can remain popular by telling his nation he is right and every other nation is wrong, while banning any opposition to his views.

If you heard the interview on World at One on Tuesday, about so called Ukrainian Nazis, there is no escaping the fact that the Russians will be convinced of anything to the contrary of Putin’s views.

 

[warksfarmer]

Because Ukraine’s food helped keep food prices low in the UK.
Putin is a sh!te stirring leader who thinks he can remain popular by telling his nation he is right and every other nation is wrong, while banning any opposition to his views.

If you heard the interview on World at One on Tuesday, about so called Ukrainian Nazis, there is no escaping the fact that the Russians will be convinced of anything to the contrary of Putin’s views.

Ok fair enough but Ukraine is no saintly country and their current government are questionable. Is all this money going to where it’s needed or is it being stolen? A bit here and a bit there ……. I think one official has already been removed for this.

 

[Martyn]

We should be sending more kit and planes as soon as they are capable to operate them as far as I'm concerned.

Probably one thing Britian has got right on the international stage.

Not saying it’s wrong for us to help but why are we at the forefront or that’s what it seems to me anyway. I’m not referring to the aid but in terms of military assistance and our government visiting regularly.
What’s it got to do with us really? Ukraine used to be part of the USSR and there’s been ongoing issues on eastern border for many years.
I don’t believe Putin wants to invade the rest of Europe either as he knows that would lead to WW3 and then he’d loose.

 

[Robt]

My best friend thinks the same as Lee. He says if you actually research president of Ukraine you may change your opinion. It’s so hard to find actual truth. All I know is thousands of Russians and Ukrainians are needlessly being killed each month while they are obeying their government…. That’s not right…. Our government may be awful but at least we aren’t taking up arms for them….

 

[Bury the Trash]

Here is the wrong part of the forum for this @Bald Rick please.

 

[Two Tone]

Ok fair enough but Ukraine is no saintly country and their current government are questionable. Is all this money going to where it’s needed or is it being stolen? A bit here and a bit there ……. I think one official has already been removed for this.

Maybe - maybe not!

Ahem..........Ukraine won last year's Eurovision song contest, yet we who were runners up, host this years contest.
Is this saintly of them or not?

 

[renewablejohn]

Not saying it’s wrong for us to help but why are we at the forefront or that’s what it seems to me anyway. I’m not referring to the aid but in terms of military assistance and our government visiting regularly.
What’s it got to do with us really? Ukraine used to be part of the USSR and there’s been ongoing issues on eastern border for many years.
I don’t believe Putin wants to invade the rest of Europe either as he knows that would lead to WW3 and then he’d loose.

We are at the forefront because the UK, USA and Russia signed the Budapest agreement giving Ukraine the confidence to give up its nuclear weapons in return for respect of Ukraines border. The fact Russia breached that agreement means UK and USA has a duty to uphold that agreement.

 

[Hindsight]

Not saying it’s wrong for us to help but why are we at the forefront or that’s what it seems to me anyway. I’m not referring to the aid but in terms of military assistance and our government visiting regularly.
What’s it got to do with us really? Ukraine used to be part of the USSR and there’s been ongoing issues on eastern border for many years.
I don’t believe Putin wants to invade the rest of Europe either as he knows that would lead to WW3 and then he’d loose.

Oh, dear. What a contrarian sequence of sentences. As post#9 states UK a co-signatory of agreements and treaties. And a permanent member of the UN security council - along with Russia and China. Reason enough.

Ok fair enough but Ukraine is no saintly country and their current government are questionable. Is all this money going to where it’s needed or is it being stolen? A bit here and a bit there ……. I think one official has already been removed for this.

Are you a tad muddled and meant to refer to the United Kingdom? PPE contracts. Off shoring in trusts in islands. Hey ho.

 

[kiwi pom]

My best friend thinks the same as Lee. He says if you actually research president of Ukraine you may change your opinion. It’s so hard to find actual truth. All I know is thousands of Russians and Ukrainians are needlessly being killed each month while they are obeying their government…. That’s not right…. Our government may be awful but at least we aren’t taking up arms for them….

Headlines I've seen today have said China is proposing a peace plan, Brazil have said a peace plan should be negotiated by countries not involved.
Hopefully more countries, not involved start to put pressure on.

NATO has dismissed such talk, but they are too far in now in my opinion to say anything else and I don't think there's any way the US would allow China to lead peace talks.

Thousands keep dying on both sides because no one will talk about peace on a destroyed piece of dirt.

 

[Exfarmer]

Not saying it’s wrong for us to help but why are we at the forefront or that’s what it seems to me anyway. I’m not referring to the aid but in terms of military assistance and our government visiting regularly.
What’s it got to do with us really? Ukraine used to be part of the USSR and there’s been ongoing issues on eastern border for many years.
I don’t believe Putin wants to invade the rest of Europe either as he knows that would lead to WW3 and then he’d loose.

Ukraine 2022 , Czechoslovakia, 1938 , a good tip read “ Coffee with Hitler” .
we thought then giving a dictator a little titbit would satisfy him, in truth it just gave him the taste .
Hitlers generals were certain they could not win a conflict with France and the UK but that titbit gave Hitler the backing of the German public to go for Poland.
The same could/would be true that a walkover in Ukraine would give the appetite for Poland after all why would France Germany UK be interested in Russia reclaiming what was theirs only a few years ago.

But and a very big but, if you are remotely interested in this why not have a brief look at the other thread on this very matter

 

[kiwi pom]

Ukraine 2022 , Czechoslovakia, 1938 , a good tip read “ Coffee with Hitler” .
we thought then giving a dictator a little titbit would satisfy him, in truth it just gave him the taste .
Hitlers generals were certain they could not win a conflict with France and the UK but that titbit gave Hitler the backing of the German public to go for Poland.
The same could/would be true that a walkover in Ukraine would give the appetite for Poland after all why would France Germany UK be interested in Russia reclaiming what was theirs only a few years ago.

But and a very big but, if you are remotely interested in this why not have a brief look at the other thread on this very matter

Please don't talk shite, Russia is not going to attack Poland or any other NATO country.
Help Ukraine because they have asked and they need help, don't turn this into a, if we don't fight them in Ukraine, we'll be fighting them at home nonsense.
Just because it's a line government's use to drum up support (the same in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan) doesn't mean it's true.

 

[M-J-G]

A lot of people could do with listening to a Russian or even eastern opinion on the Ukraine vs Russia

 

[czechmate]

Ukraine 2022 , Czechoslovakia, 1938 , a good tip read “ Coffee with Hitler” .
we thought then giving a dictator a little titbit would satisfy him, in truth it just gave him the taste .
Hitlers generals were certain they could not win a conflict with France and the UK but that titbit gave Hitler the backing of the German public to go for Poland.
The same could/would be true that a walkover in Ukraine would give the appetite for Poland after all why would France Germany UK be interested in Russia reclaiming what was theirs only a few years ago.

But and a very big but, if you are remotely interested in this why not have a brief look at the other thread on this very matter

Its worse than that really. Hitlers generals were correct really at the beginning of 1938, Czechoslovakia was no tin pot country and had a many arms itself. It was capturing those arms that gave the German army the strength to move on…
plenty of goodies in Ukraine for the Russians to take advantage of - given the chance

 

[will l]

Ok fair enough but Ukraine is no saintly country and their current government are questionable. Is all this money going to where it’s needed or is it being stolen? A bit here and a bit there ……. I think one official has already been removed for this.

Pot Kettle Black!

 

[Hfd Cattle]

A bully should never succeed . Putin is a bully and needs defeating, if it takes western help to do this then so be it .

Putin is getting plenty if help from other countries !!

 

[Exfarmer]

Please don't talk shite, Russia is not going to attack Poland or any other NATO country.
Help Ukraine because they have asked and they need help, don't turn this into a, if we don't fight them in Ukraine, we'll be fighting them at home nonsense.
Just because it's a line government's use to drum up support (the same in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan) doesn't mean it's true.

Perhaps you have not been reading what Putin had been threatening in the run up to this. He has long been hankering to Establish a Land bridge to Kaliningrad . He has been consistently been attempting to stir trouble in the Baltic states to attempt a justification for this. There is little doubt that this would have been his next target after Moldova which he is working on very hard at the moment. He did not think the Western support for Ukraine would be any morte than the tin rattling we had after the annexation of Crimea and any mention of Nuclear war would have ensured most of Europe would back down very quickly. He believed rightly that Europe had lost most of itsd spine after Brexit

 

[essex man]

Not saying it’s wrong for us to help but why are we at the forefront or that’s what it seems to me anyway. I’m not referring to the aid but in terms of military assistance and our government visiting regularly.
What’s it got to do with us really? Ukraine used to be part of the USSR and there’s been ongoing issues on eastern border for many years.
I don’t believe Putin wants to invade the rest of Europe either as he knows that would lead to WW3 and then he’d loose.

We are at the forefront because it is popular here for us to be so.
The broadly pro ukraine sentiment on this forum is reflective of the mood of the majority of brits

 

[Hindsight]

We are at the forefront because it is popular here for us to be so.
The broadly pro ukraine sentiment on this forum is reflective of the mood of the majority of brits

Is this ‘popular‘ support popular with you Essex Man?