Unpaid rent-debt recovery worth it?

[Werzle]

Report your concerns to the police if you are that worried about him returning to do damage, have it logged. Doubt he will, his types are full of sh#te usually.

 

[Foregoneconclusion]

Rents are far too high.
Tenants cant afford to pay it.
You cant get blood from a stone

That may well be in some cases.. but not in this instance..

 

[glasshouse]

That may well be in some cases.. but not in this instance..

It never is

 

[serf]

It's a really odd area of law.

Even if you can demonstrate the fella owes you rent or a company.. all they have to do is bankrupt themselves..

I have been battling to recover a debt for 2 years now using all the correct channels.. but unlike your case ..I don't know exactly where the fella lives..

He hasn't responded toa letter b4 action and we are poised to go to court..but then what.. if h'e no money..then no bueno.

He/ they have left an asset on site that has value but nothing close to the rent owed.

Do i take possession and sell what i can ? It seems the law is against me there too..cos if there is a charge against the asset i get nowt..

Why can't folk just be honest...

It's a way of life and a living now for some of these fekers , just pay couple months rent then play the eviction game and the rules play into their hands and leave the LL with the sh!tty end off the stick ...

It's not even genuine hardship with these die hard renter carousel crew !

 

[Foregoneconclusion]

THis is not a farm tenancy debt. It is a commercial one.

Would the OP consider a statutory demand notice?

Certainly worth looking at.. I am currently mulling that option

 

[Jerry]

THis is not a farm tenancy debt. It is a commercial one.

Would the OP consider a statutory demand notice?

Certainly worth looking at.. I am currently mulling that option

Not sure on definition but this is a residential let so not a commercial matter, even though he’s paid the rent from his business account the tenancy agreement is in his name, not his company.

Whats a statutory demand notice?

 

[Foregoneconclusion]

Not sure on definition but this is a residential let so not a commercial matter, even though he’s paid the rent from his business account the tenancy agreement is in his name, not his company.

Whats a statutory demand notice?

Sorry. I was referring to my matter..under some pressure from lothian..

Form SD2: Demand immediate payment of a debt ('statutory demand')

If someone owes you money, you can use this form (a ‘statutory demand’) to demand payment within 21 days.

www.gov.uk

 

[Oliveau]

Thanks for the input, some more thoughts from me:

I can afford it if it is just the outstanding rent and utilities, but I am also worried that he has trashed the insides of the property. For the last month the curtains have been draw 100% of the time so god knows what the state of the place will me. He could do £1,000's worth of damage in no time.

On advice from the agent we used we served 2 months notice as per the legal guidlines. At the time he was 4 months in arrears.

He has refused to respond to any communication, either direct from myself or from the agent. That has been email and physical letters hand posted thru his door so he has no excuse if he says he's not received utility bills etc.

All communications has been documented and saved.

Have bank statements showing non payment.

Tenancy agreement in place

I know the registered address for his business and his accountants, both are local.

Im nervous he might come back and do more damage if I rile him at all. My yard is 150m away from his property and almost next door to a large farmhouse used as a high end holiday let.

But I feel royally pee'd off if he gets away with it, would hate to be his new landlord.

I do not know where he is going to, but it is local as the van packing his stuff up makes a round trip in less than an hour, its not sign written so just a man with a van or one of his mates I suspect.

If going to the court route Im guessing I would need his new address, or could I send things to his companies registered address or his accountant?

Have the van discreetly followed so that you can find out where he has gone.

 

[Jerry]

Have the van discreetly followed so that you can find out where he has gone.

Some one mentioned slipping an apple air tag into the van to track it…slightly dubious legally I’d think.

He knows my truck and my wives car.

Quad bike might be a bit obvious

might get a friend to track him tomorrow if he’s back. Not seen him last couple hours.

 

[Spade]

Thanks for the input, some more thoughts from me:

I can afford it if it is just the outstanding rent and utilities, but I am also worried that he has trashed the insides of the property. For the last month the curtains have been draw 100% of the time so god knows what the state of the place will me. He could do £1,000's worth of damage in no time.

On advice from the agent we used we served 2 months notice as per the legal guidlines. At the time he was 4 months in arrears.

He has refused to respond to any communication, either direct from myself or from the agent. That has been email and physical letters hand posted thru his door so he has no excuse if he says he's not received utility bills etc.

All communications has been documented and saved.

Have bank statements showing non payment.

Tenancy agreement in place

I know the registered address for his business and his accountants, both are local.

Im nervous he might come back and do more damage if I rile him at all. My yard is 150m away from his property and almost next door to a large farmhouse used as a high end holiday let.

But I feel royally pee'd off if he gets away with it, would hate to be his new landlord.

I do not know where he is going to, but it is local as the van packing his stuff up makes a round trip in less than an hour, its not sign written so just a man with a van or one of his mates I suspect.

If going to the court route Im guessing I would need his new address, or could I send things to his companies registered address or his accountant?

Been in the same situation where it took me two years to get what was owed . The only winners are solicitors but at least you get satisfaction!

 

[livestock 1]

You can try probably best just forget it. One just been put out here owes £££ I won’t be trying to get any

 

[Muddyroads]

Some one mentioned slipping an apple air tag into the van to track it…slightly dubious legally I’d think.

He knows my truck and my wives car.

Quad bike might be a bit obvious

might get a friend to track him tomorrow if he’s back. Not seen him last couple hours.

I had a particularly bad tenant several years ago who owed me thousands. I too followed all the correct channels but she knew the rules better than I did. A neighbour tipped me off that she was moving out 2 days before the bailiffs were due. I borrowed a friends car and followed the van quite a distance to her new address, then traced the owner of the property and let him know her history. Over the next few weeks there were numerous demands from debt collectors and others who she owed money to including council tax. I passed her new address to all interested parties and let them get on with it, at least it stopped them turning up at my property trying to collect debts.
Although the police regard this type of incident as a civil matter I made sure that they knew about it. I was glad that I did as she made complaints to them about me but at least I was one step ahead with them.

 

[Jam Tomorrow]

KILL HIM

 

[Clive]

Rents are far too high.
Tenants cant afford to pay it.
You cant get blood from a stone

just doing some modernisation to a property we own

30-35k needs spending. - it will increase the rent by £250 pm

……….. so over 10 yrs before I see my investment back


rent to high ? they are too cheap so i’m selling and investing elsewhere at 10% plus type returns without hassle………. and that will make someone who can’t afford to buy homeless

isn’t socialism brilliant

 

[livestock 1]

Tenants don’t heat the houses now and it costs a fortune to put them right after they have wrecked them
On with one now

 

[Wurzeetoo]

just doing some modernisation to a property we own

30-35k needs spending. - it will increase the rent by £250 pm

……….. so over 10 yrs before I see my investment back


rent to high ? they are too cheap so i’m selling and investing elsewhere at 10% plus type returns without hassle………. and that will make someone who can’t afford to buy homeless

isn’t socialism brilliant

My employer insists on a ROI of 12 months, currently boarding up and mothballing a vast portfolio of properties. There is no profit in being a landlord. It amazes me people think there is

 

[Adeptandy]

My employer insists on a ROI of 12 months, currently boarding up and mothballing a vast portfolio of properties. There is no profit in being a landlord. It amazes me people think there is

How will that sit with council tax, in my area it doubles then trebles if empty

 

[Sam Partridge]

Any rent protection insurance?

 

[Red Fred]

How will that sit with council tax, in my area it doubles then trebles if empty

We have found this. It is better to have a charity using the space for a moderate rent than have it sitting empty and having to pay £12000 in council tax.

 

[glasshouse]

Not sure on definition but this is a residential let so not a commercial matter, even though he’s paid the rent from his business account the tenancy agreement is in his name, not his company.

Whats a statutory demand notice?

just doing some modernisation to a property we own

30-35k needs spending. - it will increase the rent by £250 pm

……….. so over 10 yrs before I see my investment back


rent to high ? they are too cheap so i’m selling and investing elsewhere at 10% plus type returns without hassle………. and that will make someone who can’t afford to buy homeless

isn’t socialism brilliant

Plenty people would rather live in an unmodernised house at £250 less per month