Unused holiday entitlements

Spud

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Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
i am not a child and am well aware « there isn’t a bottomless pit of money »

The day you employ someone you have to be aware of the costs of employers NIC, employers insurance, cost of payroll administration… holiday pay. Holiday pay doesn’t suddenly become a cost at the end of the year because your guys choose to work more.
IMO, you come over as mean as feck, taking those days off them. And it’s bullsh!t saying you are not legally allowed to pay it, could go down as a bonus or any manner of other reasons
So it's too much for a grown adult to manage their own holiday time without having their hand held?
I'm well aware of the implications, responsibility and costs of been an employer, but thank you for pointing them out.
I encourage holiday to be taken, but I cannot force them to take it.
Use it or lose it ought to be encouragement enough to organize ones time sufficiently to use it up before April.
Should someone of used their entitlement and find themselves in a situation in say March then talk to me and I'll facilitate bringing some holiday forward.
Years ago we used to roll it over, but it was still never taken, to a point where if they did, I'd be short staffed for weeks.
There are times in winter when it's quiet enough that we're doing fill in jobs, which always gets done one way or another, but it's a time of relatively low productivity. ie a good time for holiday.
It's not been 'mean as feck' as you delicately put it. It's running a business and expecting grown adults to be able to decide for themselves when to take their annual leave. I have never once refused a request for holiday, and there's only a small proportion of the year when I'd rather they didn't take it.

One thing overlooked by many employed people is what they actually cost their employer per hour of actual work. It's a lot more than their rate of pay.
 
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Chae1

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Location
Aberdeenshire
There used to be a thing called minors fortnight which is when the mines shut down for their annual holidays big thing in France and Europe I think also so I’m sure you can stipulate when holidays can happen
Trades had same thing up here. Called trades fortnight where everyone shutdown. Not such a big thing here now.

Think enforced holidays still happen on continent. It's difficult to get parts at certain times in summer due to shutdowns.

Think they use this as opportunity to service update, machines on assembly lines as it doesn't interrupt production.
 

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
That's precisely why I encourage holiday at Christmas
As I've said several times, if everyone is happy, it's all good.

If staff holidays all follow the calendar year, you have no livestock and aren't busy in December, you could just finish staff for the year as the number of days left line up with the number of workdays left in the year?

All cleaned up then, they can't come back at you and say they never take their time off (y)
 

Spud

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
As I've said several times, if everyone is happy, it's all good.

If staff holidays all follow the calendar year, you have no livestock and aren't busy in December, you could just finish staff for the year as the number of days left line up with the number of workdays left in the year?

All cleaned up then, they can't come back at you and say they never take their time off (y)
Holiday year ends April 5th

I'm not starting dictating how staff manage their own free time, that's up to them.

We do have stock but the system is easy, I can easily manage that on my own
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
Holiday year ends April 5th

I'm not starting dictating how staff manage their own free time, that's up to them.

We do have stock but the system is easy, I can easily manage that on my own
Fair enough, as long as they are aware of how many holidays they have left, shouldn't be an issue.
If I was the boss, I'd make sure they were taken to cover myself in the future but that's just me.
 

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