Urea spreading date

[DaveGrohl]

Unless we are going to get a lot if rain, I'm starting to think it ought to be on now, snowdrops are in flower and daffs running to bud. Carpet slippers weather here.
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View attachment 1091961 This would normally be wet up to your breeches, is it too soon to start calling the driest summer since '76 yet?

Yer having a fekking laff right? Daren’t set foot in a field and expect to come home with wellies in these parts end of Jan.

Edit. Oops, I’m in the arable section, different rules apply….

 

[Green oak]

Doesn’t look like there’s any rain for the south east until the 17th feb. Going by net weather.

 

[4course]

looks like we will be on middle of next week up here ,urea on osr followed by cereals. Not rushing as a dry weekend will make all he difference to travel conditions and a new to us bigger spinner should speed operations. The trial dd field of ww will get blue bag its the one in need..
( I never learn good job its only 10 acre)

 

[robs1]

looks like we will be on middle of next week up here ,urea on osr followed by cereals. Not rushing as a dry weekend will make all he difference to travel conditions and a new to us bigger spinner should speed operations. The trial dd field of ww will get blue bag its the one in need..
( I never learn good job its only 10 acre)

Why do you think the dd field needs N ?

 

[4course]

Why do you think the dd field needs N ?

its backward and patchy compared to the ploughed,or min tilled both of which look as good if not better than usual, probably due to being sown at the later end of the campaign heavyish ground dry then cold rain in quantity slowed growth .the interesting bit is where the experimental drill went down the field once not putting seed on to get depth and cover set, it looks so much better to a drill seam i.e a modicum of pre tilling has shown a benefit to establishment

 

[robs1]

its backward and patchy compared to the ploughed,or min tilled both of which look as good if not better than usual, probably due to being sown at the later end of the campaign heavyish ground dry then cold rain in quantity slowed growth .the interesting bit is where the experimental drill went down the field once not putting seed on to get depth and cover set, it looks so much better to a drill seam i.e a modicum of pre tilling has shown a benefit to establishment

It's the N being released by the cultivation that has caused it, we see it on headlands, it's a very well known thing that dd crops look poorer up till April that's why they are often drilled a bit earlier, and fertiliser goes on earlier to make up for the N that isnt released by cultivation, that N is still in the soil and will feed the crop when the soil warms up and the soil life gets to work a crop only has to be good one day a year . Dont judge yours till the combine goes in.

 

[ajd132]

Will be putting a dose on everything starting Monday. Should get round it all in 3/4 days.

 

[4course]

It's the N being released by the cultivation that has caused it, we see it on headlands, it's a very well known thing that dd crops look poorer up till April that's why they are often drilled a bit earlier, and fertiliser goes on earlier to make up for the N that isnt released by cultivation, that N is still in the soil and will feed the crop when the soil warms up and the soil life gets to work a crop only has to be good one day a year . Dont judge yours till the combine goes in.

I understand what you are saying but dont think our crops on the whole have ever looked better either ploughed or min tilled in various ways. The dd bit is down the lane and I am cursing it every time I pass though trying to convince myself it will eventually be fine but even the good bit is s----.

 

[Fish]

It's the N being released by the cultivation that has caused it, we see it on headlands, it's a very well known thing that dd crops look poorer up till April that's why they are often drilled a bit earlier, and fertiliser goes on earlier to make up for the N that isnt released by cultivation, that N is still in the soil and will feed the crop when the soil warms up and the soil life gets to work a crop only has to be good one day a year . Dont judge yours till the combine goes in.

Yes, and the more years you dd the better it gets.

 

[steveR]

These last few years I have never regretted going early.

Fully agree. Most years I try to tickle some N on early where I can, but it is usually chase the dry areas.

I have been mad busy going "full on" with the grassland. Travelling wonderfully with the compact, hardly a mark from fert spreading which is a bonus with multiple passes from MOP, TSP and trying some Urea this time!!

Must find the summer work boots again...

 

[Two Tone]

Not here , it's in the shed , and staying there , maybe look end of the month

Apart from the price compared to AN, the reason I like Urea is that you can put it on early on a frost without the fear of it becoming active too soon.
It is sort of ideal insofar that it will sit there until it is warm enough for the crop to grow and call for it.

However, I have known a couple of cold-ish years when the crop was calling for it, but it was still just too cold for the Urea to work in time.
This can be a bugger on Winter Barley, in trying to prevent it going yellow.
For a few years, I switched to Double Top, which is AN and Sulphur for the 1st dose on Barley. Since you can’t get it any more, I now use Thomas Bells 33N 30S03, which is Urea and Ammonium Sulphate mixed 50:50.
That Ammonium Sulphate will act fast enough to save the Barley and the Urea will sit there until it is warm enough.
So to me, it’s the best of both worlds.

 

[bobk]

Apart from the price compared to AN, the reason I like Urea is that you can put it on early on a frost without the fear of it becoming active too soon.
It is sort of ideal insofar that it will sit there until it is warm enough for the crop to grow and call for it.

However, I have known a couple of cold-ish years when the crop was calling for it, but it was still just too cold for the Urea to work in time.
This can be a bugger on Winter Barley, in trying to prevent it going yellow.
For a few years, I switched to Double Top, which is AN and Sulphur for the 1st dose on Barley. Since you can’t get it any more, I now use Thomas Bells 33N 30S03, which is Urea and Ammonium Sulphate mixed 50:50.
That Ammonium Sulphate will act fast enough to save the Barley and the Urea will sit there until it is warm enough.
So to me, it’s the best of both worlds.

Depends if this is coming our way
Forecasters say the coldest wind chill ever has been recorded in the continental US as an Arctic cold snap freezes a swathe of North America.
The National Weather Service (NWS) said the icy gusts on Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Friday produced a wind chill of -108F (-77C).
Nearly 100 million people across the north-eastern US and Canada are shivering in the frigid blast.
Authorities warned frostbite could strike in less than 10 minutes.
Residents from Manitoba to Maine are being urged to limit their time outdoors until Saturday in the "once-in-a-generation" cold snap.
The NWS said the actual temperature on the summit of Mount Washington at 20:00 on Friday (01:00 GMT Saturday) was down to -46F - the coldest ever recorded there.
@Flatlander

 

[David.]

Apart from the price compared to AN, the reason I like Urea is that you can put it on early on a frost without the fear of it becoming active too soon.
It is sort of ideal insofar that it will sit there until it is warm enough for the crop to grow and call for it.

However, I have known a couple of cold-ish years when the crop was calling for it, but it was still just too cold for the Urea to work in time.
This can be a bugger on Winter Barley, in trying to prevent it going yellow.
For a few years, I switched to Double Top, which is AN and Sulphur for the 1st dose on Barley. Since you can’t get it any more, I now use Thomas Bells 33N 30S03, which is Urea and Ammonium Sulphate mixed 50:50.
That Ammonium Sulphate will act fast enough to save the Barley and the Urea will sit there until it is warm enough.
So to me, it’s the best of both worlds.

That is why I love Piamon.

 

[Landrover]

Starting next week, urea on DD wheat and Italian ryegrass, sulphur by itself on everything, Northumberland, light ground, more that we can travel without making a mess more than anything else, hopefully silage the Italian mid/end of April if the weather behaves itself

 

[David.]

Yer having a fekking laff right? Daren’t set foot in a field and expect to come home with wellies in these parts end of Jan.

Edit. Oops, I’m in the arable section, different rules apply….

I'm not having a laugh at all, and certainly not at your expense.
The fact is, we may as well live in different countries.

 

[neilo]

For those others daft enough to be thinking about going on early with urea, how much N on winter barley this early? I was thinking about 40kg N/ha now (mostly as it fits with bags with only 10ha of WB) with next dose in March (assuming we can travel then). Too little?

Proper numbers please, none of those daft 'unit' things please...

 

[Steevo]

For those others daft enough to be thinking about going on early with urea, how much N on winter barley this early? I was thinking about 40kg N/ha now (mostly as it fits with bags with only 10ha of WB) with next dose in March (assuming we can travel then). Too little?

Proper numbers please, none of those daft 'unit' things please...

I normally start wheat with 100kg/ha of urea which equates to 46kgN/ha.

Fully accept it’s a different crop though.

 

[neilo]

Rightly or wrongly the deed is done.
100kg/ha of 38N 19S on Winter Barley to keep some tillers alive. It's been growing this week, and turning yellow looking hungry.

...bring on the snow.

 

[David.]

Respect!
That's the way to be decisive.
Thinking about it at 10.55, done and dusted by 13.30.

 

[4course]

For those others daft enough to be thinking about going on early with urea, how much N on winter barley this early? I was thinking about 40kg N/ha now (mostly as it fits with bags with only 10ha of WB) with next dose in March (assuming we can travel then). Too little?

Proper numbers please, none of those daft 'unit' things please...

sorry could have offered my view for what its worth but im in units , but thats been buggerd up as now there is 12 bags in a bag ho ho