Wales NVZ, stocking rate at 170kg/ha N.

[Ffermer Bach]

From the NFU Cymru (& I stress the latter word), NVZ briefing document that has just landed in my inbox

Implementation of the 170kg/ha annual holding nitrogen limit has been delayed from 1 January 2023 to April 2023.
• There will be a consultation this autumn on a licensing scheme whereby any farm business can apply for a licence for a higher annual holding nitrogen limit of 250kg/ha. Welsh Government will consult on proposals for such a scheme to be operational until 2025.
• Welsh Government will undertake a further specific Regulatory Impact Assessment to consider the economic and environmental impacts of the 170kg/ha annual holding nitrogen limit.
• £20m of extra funding will be made available to support compliance with the regulations.
• Welsh Government will accelerate their work to encourage potential alternative technological solutions using the Regulation 45 mechanism.

So, cost of living crisis, food and fuel shooting up in price. Let's bring in regulations that are going to cost a lot to implement, then give grants towards the costs of complying with those regulations, which will also reduce output of food in the UK, so we will have to import more food, while the pound is losing value and we are already running a deficit. Nice one Welsh Labour, well thought through.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

You mean like pumping it down into the cwm [wooded valley] you mean? I doubt whether that would be considered good practice, especially as there are small brooks down there at the bottom.

I thought fertilising the trees would give better growth rates. Not sure if you need better growth on the nature plot tho'.
Seems like you won't be planting trees to get up to 10% then. I would imagine an annual dose of slurry on a new plantation would make a big difference to yield class figures.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

we as a country seem to continually vote for politicians who I wouldn't trust to run a bath, so I guess we will reap what we have sowed. Maybe we have had it too good for too long and have forgotten decisions have consequences. All over the news today about the possibility of blackouts during the winter, and everyone is blaming it on Putin, where as no one (yet) questions why we have had an energy policy for years that hasn't thought to build in resilience to the planning, I am pretty sure Donald Trump mentioned it's not a good idea to rely on Russia for gas, and if I remember the media thought he was talking rubbish. The Scottish keep voting for the SNP, even when their management of drug deaths, NHS, school achievement, entry to university seem to be failing, but she keeps getting landslide victories!

Trump accused Germany of becoming ‘totally dependent’ on Russian energy at the U.N. The Germans just smirked.​

By Rick Noack
September 25, 2018 at 2:44 p.m. EDT

German delegation at U.N. appears to laugh at Trump
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Germany's delegation at the U.N. General Assembly appeared to laugh during President Trump's speech. (Video: Reuters)

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BERLIN — Out of President Trump’s speech at the U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday, it probably won’t be the script that will be remembered by diplomats but, rather, world leaders' laughter, caught on camera and shared in viral videos.

One of them captured the amused reactions of the German delegation as Trump said: “Germany will become totally dependent on Russian energy if it does not immediately change course. Here in the Western Hemisphere, we are committed to maintaining our independence from the encroachment of expansionist foreign powers.”

German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas could be seen smirking alongside his colleagues.
It wasn’t the first time Trump had lashed out at Germany over its gas imports from Russia.

During a NATO summit in July, he took aim at the Germans for the same reason, specifically singling out a planned 800-mile pipeline beneath the Baltic Sea called Nord Stream 2. “Germany, as far as I’m concerned, is captive to Russia because it’s getting so much of its energy from Russia,” Trump told NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, also speaking on camera at the time. “We have to talk about the billions and billions of dollars that’s being paid to the country we’re supposed to be protecting you against.”


Germany is indeed Russia’s biggest export market in Europe for gas, with a dependency that may grow further once Nord Stream 2 is finished. The pipeline would roughly double Russia’s export volume via the Baltic Sea route.
Consecutive German governments have defended the plans, saying the offshore pipeline between Russia and Germany would cut energy costs and establish a reliable supply route.

But nations such as Poland and Ukraine fear that Russia may be diversifying its gas routes into Europe to exploit its grid for political reasons. In June 2014, amid the fallout over the Russian annexation of Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula months earlier, Russia cut off Ukraine’s gas supplies for weeks in what Kiev called a blackmail attempt.
Poland, Ukraine and other nations east of Germany hope that Trump’s criticisms will help them make their case.


German Chancellor Angela Merkel acknowledged for the first time in April that Nord Stream 2 was not driven by business interests alone but also by political motivations. While she has appeared to be opening up to criticism from Central and Eastern Europe in recent months, Merkel has not attempted to stop the plans.

Even if she changed course, it would be far from certain that the Social Democrats — her key coalition partners, who have a long record of favoring stronger ties to Russia — would agree.
The Social Democrats and other Merkel allies have publicly speculated about another possible reason for Trump’s unexpected interjection: the United States' own business interests. U.S. gas producers have long been seeking new export markets for liquefied natural gas but have found it difficult to enter the European market, where cheaper Russian gas has been easily available.


Trump’s attacks haven’t changed that calculus. After his July remarks, Merkel responded that she may be in a better position to judge her country’s dependence than the current U.S. president.
“I’ve experienced myself a part of Germany controlled by the Soviet Union, and I’m very happy today that we are united in freedom,” she said at the time.
On Tuesday, after yet another Trump warning, her top diplomats had only a smirk to offer.
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Trump cuts a lonely figure at the U.N.

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[Bald Rick]

What's the Regulation 45 mechanism?

No idea but it gives the politicos a boner …

Written Statement: Cooperation Agreement: Agricultural Pollution (5 October 2022) | GOV.WALES

Lesley Griffiths, Minister for Rural Affairs, North Wales and Trefnydd

gov.wales

 

[Bald Rick]

One of the prime arguments of both NFU Cymru & FUW is that our "Dear Minister" has merely cut & pasted from EU legislation without any thought of how it would fit in to a Welsh situation.

I am currently pondering on the validity of "buying" a hill farm

Damn I have some vision … just arrange to export of 2000 acres of upland.

Two can play at this game …

 

[Farmer 83563]

Just reading the most recent (updated) NVZ wisdom from the powers that be. Does my 1980's built concrete muckstore count as an 'impermeable surface' making it legal once again for storing farmyard manure? Or is their update misleading?

 

[Bald Rick]

Just reading the most recent (updated) NVZ wisdom from the powers that be. Does my 1980's built concrete muckstore count as an 'impermeable surface' making it legal once again for storing farmyard manure? Or is their update misleading?

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Yes … provided that you can either (a) catch & store any rainwater run off from heap or (b) install bunding to contain any liquor incl rainwater or (c) cover any FYM heap with a tarpaulin or similar impermeable covering to prevent rainwater ingress in to the heap


(or at least that was what I was told at a recent event I attended)

 

[Farmer 83563]

Yes … provided that you can either (a) catch & store any rainwater run off from heap or (b) install bunding to contain any liquor incl rainwater or (c) cover any FYM heap with a tarpaulin or similar impermeable covering to prevent rainwater ingress in to the heap


(or at least that was what I was told at a recent event I attended)

Thanks. The catch is still there then, just clever wording to try and catch us out

 

[Bald Rick]

Thanks. The catch is still there then, just clever wording to try and catch us out

TBH, I don’t think they will target farms producing only FYM provided its sensibly managed ie not siting the stack by streams or on steep slopes

Finger in the air and I suspect the larger (where that number is I have no idea) dairy boys can expect a visit and inspection.
How the inspectors are going to determine depth of a lagoon, I have no idea either

 

[vantage]

Be a lot of tarps sold!

 

[The Agrarian]

No, the intent is obvious - to promote the storage of organic materials in such a way as does not result in pollution of the environment.

The proof is in the pudding. If your store cannot be found to leak or discharge a polluting liquid, then it is fit.

 

[vantage]

TBH, I don’t think they will target farms producing only FYM provided its sensibly managed ie not siting the stack by streams or on steep slopes

Finger in the air and I suspect the larger (where that number is I have no idea) dairy boys can expect a visit and inspection.
How the inspectors are going to determine depth of a lagoon, I have no idea either

They’re all going to be issued with sun aqua and diving suit , of course!

 

[vantage]

TBH, I don’t think they will target farms producing only FYM provided its sensibly managed ie not siting the stack by streams or on steep slopes

Finger in the air and I suspect the larger (where that number is I have no idea) dairy boys can expect a visit and inspection.
How the inspectors are going to determine depth of a lagoon, I have no idea either

I’m also starting to believe the 250 limit isn’t going to happen, reading the bumpf, it mentions transitioning from 250 to 170 over time.

 

[Bald Rick]

I’m also starting to believe the 250 limit isn’t going to happen, reading the bumpf, it mentions transitioning from 250 to 170 over time.

25O is only in place until 2025 AND remember that you have to apply for the higher limit (it’s not automatically given) by proving you have 5 months storage now and that all your fields have been soil tested and are under PK index 4

 

[vantage]

25O is only in place until 2025 AND remember that you have to apply for the higher limit (it’s not automatically given) by proving you have 5 months storage now and that all your fields have been soil tested and are under PK index 4

Nice to be on the same footing as the rest of the UK, not.
Storage, no issues, PK index , no issues, especially with foliar analysis and feeding.

 

[AGN76]

TBH, I don’t think they will target farms producing only FYM provided its sensibly managed ie not siting the stack by streams or on steep slopes

Finger in the air and I suspect the larger (where that number is I have no idea) dairy boys can expect a visit and inspection.
How the inspectors are going to determine depth of a lagoon, I have no idea either

I heard Gareth Davies is already rubbing his hands in anticipation. I also heard he's retiring. Let's hope it's the latter.

 

[The Agrarian]

Nice to be on the same footing as the rest of the UK, not.
Storage, no issues, PK index , no issues, especially with foliar analysis and feeding.

But we've been waiting for other parts of the UK to catch up with our regulations for 15 years. It's taken Wales long enough.

 

[vantage]

But we've been waiting for other parts of the UK to catch up with our regulations for 15 years. It's taken Wales long enough.

So you’ve had a 170 kg/ha limit ?

 

[Serup]

So you’ve had a 170 kg/ha limit ?

What's your limit?

 

[vantage]

What's your limit?

Looks like 170, rest of the UK , I thought has a derogation upto 250, when 80% grass, although not sure about NI now.