Welsh Sustainable Farming Scheme AND Protests

[Old Boar]

Having talked to a few local farmers, they say it is more like 25% of land out of production. 25% that is currently capturing carbon...

So I had an idea. Write to your MP, AS member and tell them in order to fulfil the climate goals, they need to not use 25% of their house. We could create a form with questions like their net income, their turnover, their carbon footprint, their use of the toilet, their inputs including the grocery bill, their electricity and fuel bill, how many miles they have travelled in their car, etc. Then which rooms they are going to not use, and insist there is a window box growing something in every other room. This will have a different section on the form to disclose their soil type, the feed used, the water used etc. Inspections will be done by at least two different agencies.

I dont claim anything so have not seen the paperwork, but it should not be too difficult to mirror to some extent. That form sitting next to his/her breakfast might make them think how absurd the whole thing is.

Or just fill 25% of the isles within a given supermarket with people just chatting so that 25% of the goods would not be available to shoppers. Farmers and partners and children with a few trollies with the odd bit in would mean you were a customer and would be difficult to remove. Make another form for shoppers to read as they leave without their goods to make a point and spread the word.
Passive aggressive, moi?

 

[Dougalhtid]

Having talked to a few local farmers, they say it is more like 25% of land out of production. 25% that is currently capturing carbon...

So I had an idea. Write to your MP, AS member and tell them in order to fulfil the climate goals, they need to not use 25% of their house. We could create a form with questions like their net income, their turnover, their carbon footprint, their use of the toilet, their inputs including the grocery bill, their electricity and fuel bill, how many miles they have travelled in their car, etc. Then which rooms they are going to not use, and insist there is a window box growing something in every other room. This will have a different section on the form to disclose their soil type, the feed used, the water used etc. Inspections will be done by at least two different agencies.

I dont claim anything so have not seen the paperwork, but it should not be too difficult to mirror to some extent. That form sitting next to his/her breakfast might make them think how absurd the whole thing is.

Or just fill 25% of the isles within a given supermarket with people just chatting so that 25% of the goods would not be available to shoppers. Farmers and partners and children with a few trollies with the odd bit in would mean you were a customer and would be difficult to remove. Make another form for shoppers to read as they leave without their goods to make a point and spread the word.
Passive aggressive, moi?

if we have unity how about a general strike? No one loads milk, beef, lamb, fruit, eggs, milling wheat for a week and see how it goes for the supermarkets?

 

[andybk]

if we have unity how about a general strike? No one loads milk, beef, lamb, fruit, eggs, milling wheat for a week and see how it goes for the supermarkets?

have a read of a book by AG Street called A Shameful Harvest (brilliant story set in the 20s ) see how that all works out, always someone waiting to sell the industry out for a penny

 

[Cotlandfarmer]

if we have unity how about a general strike? No one loads milk, beef, lamb, fruit, eggs, milling wheat for a week and see how it goes for the supermarkets?

The snag here for some dairy farmers is that if they withhold milk they could loose their milk contract.

 

[Dougalhtid]

have a read of a book by AG Street called A Shameful Harvest (brilliant story set in the 20s ) see how that all works out, always someone waiting to sell the industry out for a penny

I’m sure someone would always sell for a shilling more

 

[neilo]

Having talked to a few local farmers, they say it is more like 25% of land out of production. 25% that is currently capturing carbon...

So I had an idea. Write to your MP, AS member and tell them in order to fulfil the climate goals, they need to not use 25% of their house. We could create a form with questions like their net income, their turnover, their carbon footprint, their use of the toilet, their inputs including the grocery bill, their electricity and fuel bill, how many miles they have travelled in their car, etc. Then which rooms they are going to not use, and insist there is a window box growing something in every other room. This will have a different section on the form to disclose their soil type, the feed used, the water used etc. Inspections will be done by at least two different agencies.

I dont claim anything so have not seen the paperwork, but it should not be too difficult to mirror to some extent. That form sitting next to his/her breakfast might make them think how absurd the whole thing is.

Or just fill 25% of the isles within a given supermarket with people just chatting so that 25% of the goods would not be available to shoppers. Farmers and partners and children with a few trollies with the odd bit in would mean you were a customer and would be difficult to remove. Make another form for shoppers to read as they leave without their goods to make a point and spread the word.
Passive aggressive, moi?

I understand the sentiment, but how is anyone figuring out that 25% of their land would have to be out of production?

The current plan is for 10% of every farm having to be under tree cover (and existing trees count towards that). Another 10% has to managed as 'habitat', which can be existing low input grassland, existing hedges (counted at 18 sq m per linear m) or as ground put into (grant funded) options like herbal leys.
That's bad enough, but it adds up to a long way short of 25% on any farm.

 

[neilo]

The snag here for some dairy farmers is that if they withhold milk they could loose their milk contract.

It would be easy enough for any of us selling red meat or cereals, but impossible for anything perishable (& contracted) like eggs or milk.

 

[neilo]

I’m sure someone would always sell for a shilling more

I seem to remember FFA trying to organise something similar with lamb & beef, back in the day. Markets were hardly even quieter than normal iirc, let alone dw sellers.

 

[Cowcorn]

have a read of a book by AG Street called A Shameful Harvest (brilliant story set in the 20s ) see how that all works out, always someone waiting to sell the industry out for a penny

And thats the problem the farmers of the united kingdom are anything but united
The contrast with the farmers on the continent couldnt be more stark .
The French would have minette burnt at the stake , and moseley would be in hiding in fear of his life ...
Wanted for treasom posters would be up putting a price on bradshaws head dead or alive ...
Its time to wake up boys and girls youre out of the EU now and have to do your own protesting .
The
days of living free of the French and other countries ag lobbys are over .
The alternative is of course to continue behaving like a castrated enuch like the NFU working behind the scenes ...
Full marks to the Welsh now step it up a gear !!

 

[Farmer_Joe]

the sooner you bell ends stop moaning about getting the public on side realise that the public are not on our side and never will be on our side the sooner we might actually f**king get somewhere

from what Iv seen on Facebook 99% of the comments are in support anyways so pull your heads out your arses and either join in or shut the f**k up ffs … since when did talking about a job ever get it done

Thank fu3k someone else on this entire forum recognises this!

Best post ive read on here in years, thankyou sir!!!!

most of the general pubic are retards anyway, we need policy makers etc to stand up and look!

 

[andybk]

And thats the problem the farmers of the united kingdom are anything but united
The contrast with the farmers on the continent couldnt be more stark .
The French would have minette burnt at the stake , and moseley would be in hiding in fear of his life ...
Wanted for treasom posters would be up putting a price on bradshaws head dead or alive ...
Its time to wake up boys and girls youre out of the EU now and have to do your own protesting .
The
days of living free of the French and other countries ag lobbys are over .
The alternative is of course to continue behaving like a castrated enuch like the NFU working behind the scenes ...
Full marks to the Welsh now step it up a gear !!

Having delt with the french farmers this is spot on , more like a uk trade union in the 70s , i was warned when i first went dont p anyone of them off in society i was dealing with , they will all stick together and you wont get anywhere , they make most events more like a family social than a business . an entirely different atmosphere than dealing here !

 

[glasshouse]

Having talked to a few local farmers, they say it is more like 25% of land out of production. 25% that is currently capturing carbon...

So I had an idea. Write to your MP, AS member and tell them in order to fulfil the climate goals, they need to not use 25% of their house. We could create a form with questions like their net income, their turnover, their carbon footprint, their use of the toilet, their inputs including the grocery bill, their electricity and fuel bill, how many miles they have travelled in their car, etc. Then which rooms they are going to not use, and insist there is a window box growing something in every other room. This will have a different section on the form to disclose their soil type, the feed used, the water used etc. Inspections will be done by at least two different agencies.

I dont claim anything so have not seen the paperwork, but it should not be too difficult to mirror to some extent. That form sitting next to his/her breakfast might make them think how absurd the whole thing is.

Or just fill 25% of the isles within a given supermarket with people just chatting so that 25% of the goods would not be available to shoppers. Farmers and partners and children with a few trollies with the odd bit in would mean you were a customer and would be difficult to remove. Make another form for shoppers to read as they leave without their goods to make a point and spread the word.
Passive aggressive, moi?

How about a 25% pay cut for mps?

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I understand the sentiment, but how is anyone figuring out that 25% of their land would have to be out of production?

The current plan is for 10% of every farm having to be under tree cover (and existing trees count towards that). Another 10% has to managed as 'habitat', which can be existing low input grassland, existing hedges (counted at 18 sq m per linear m) or as ground put into (grant funded) options like herbal leys.
That's bad enough, but it adds up to a long way short of 25% on any farm.

how about if you are intensive and your N input is above 170 kg/Ha, limiting to that level would reduce output would it not?

 

[Cotlandfarmer]

The disgusting hypocrisy if this is true! Heads should roll.

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I think this is true, he was due to visit the Firstmilk factory in Haverfordwest, the visit was cancelled due to concerns that the factory may have been blockaded by angry farmers and that the comrade chairmans personal safety couldn't be guaranteed.



Drakeford's security is obviously worried, let's hope he too is worried to the point that he will actually listen to Aled Rees and Gary Howells when they meet him.

 

[MF CI]

the sooner you bell ends stop moaning about getting the public on side realise that the public are not on our side and never will be on our side the sooner we might actually f**king get somewhere

from what Iv seen on Facebook 99% of the comments are in support anyways so pull your heads out your arses and either join in or shut the f**k up ffs … since when did talking about a job ever get it done

In your first paragraph you say people need to realise the public are not on your side and never will be, and yet go on to say the Facebook comments are 99% in support.
Am I reading it wrong?

 

[farmerm]

the sooner you bell ends stop moaning about getting the public on side realise that the public are not on our side and never will be on our side the sooner we might actually f**king get somewhere

from what Iv seen on Facebook 99% of the comments are in support anyways so pull your heads out your arses and either join in or shut the f**k up ffs … since when did talking about a job ever get it done

What are our demands? Just stop oil demonstrate how counterproductive protesting for protest sake can be

 

[Mc115reed]

In your first paragraph you say people need to realise the public are not on your side and never will be, and yet go on to say the Facebook comments are 99% in support.
Am I reading it wrong?

Well done you can read would you like a blue Peter badge? …

bet every single one of them of them still went too Tesco that evening or in the next couple of days and spent all there money on danish pork/ NZ lamb/ Irish beef that’s actually from somewhere in South America because it was cheaper than the British stuff but it’s okay theyve done there bit they put a post on social media saying they supported the farmers protesting

 

[Mc115reed]

What are our demands? Just stop oil demonstrate how counterproductive protesting for protest sake can be

Protesting too take away the fuel that every single one of us uses for transport is a bit different too protesting too save our food supply chain f**k me you lot are thick and miserable if youv nothing supportive too say just stay quiet instead of trying too run down people who are actually acting too try and make things better

 

[MF CI]

Well done you can read would you like a blue Peter badge? …

bet every single one of them of them still went too Tesco that evening or in the next couple of days and spent all there money on danish pork/ NZ lamb/ Irish beef that’s actually from somewhere in South America because it was cheaper than the British stuff but it’s okay theyve done there bit they put a post on social media saying they supported the farmers protesting

No need to get all smart arse.

My point being the public are in general on the farmers side just need a bit of educating on the finer points.

 

[Charles.]

What are our demands? Just stop oil demonstrate how counterproductive protesting for protest sake can be

The conduct of just stop oil is far far worse, an absolute shambolic disgrace compared to this farmers protest. Just stop oil and others are brainwashed into the net zero lie or getting funded by the lying elites over net zero