What root mixture?

[Al R]

Thanks neilo yes can get hard forsts but past couple of winters been mostly wet what variety of stubble turnip do you find works best for later use/more frost hardy?

We grew vollenda for years, Dynamo and Rondo mix we’ve had the last few years.

 

[Great In Grass]

We grew vollenda for years, usually whatever Western Seeds can get hold of so I’m not sure what went in last year

Vollenda/Rondo seem to be the only varieties available as organic, conventionally Barabas take a lot of beating.

 

[Al R]

Vollenda/Rondo seem to be the only varieties available as organic, conventionally Barabas take a lot of beating.

Dynamo is organic, rondo isn’t so can only be used in 30% of the mixture.

 

[Great In Grass]

Dynamo is organic, rondo isn’t so can only be used in 30% of the mixture.

I thought we had Rondo a few years ago but may be wrong, but having now looked at the price list there are no organic varieties at all.

 

[Al R]

I thought we had Rondo a few years ago but may be wrong, but having now looked at the price list there are no organic varieties at all.

 

[neilo]

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I’m confused. Either the orgasmics need to use organic seed, or they don’t. To set an arbitrary limit of 70% seems illogical, if there is supposedly something intrinsically wrong with conventionally produced seed.

 

[Al R]

I’m confused. Either the orgasmics need to use organic seed, or they don’t. To set an arbitrary limit of 70% seems illogical, if there is supposedly something intrinsically wrong with conventionally produced seed.

If the organic seed crops fail then they must be able to make it up somehow? I’m not sure on it myself... I know we can’t put in forage rape because the assurance body doesn’t know the difference between oilseed rape and forage rape so we were stopped from using it years ago. Their last publication was saying about a new variety of wheat available but it showed a picture of 6row barley

Potash can’t be spread on the land yet it’s mined from the ground? Some things are odd about it all....

 

[polk_farmer]

Were trialling DD stubble turnips and bales spaced out in the field this year (move the fence, cut the wrap and place feeder over job) we are quite a wet farm so bales are kind of damage limitation as they motor through a forage crop when wet. My bro in law does this successfully with cows, has anyone tried this method with sheep?

 

[Jim75]

What seed rate are folk using for stubble turnips? Wanting to utilise ours from xmas onwards. Been advised rondo at 3kg/ac for broadcasting from mid June. We’ve had rain now but thinking it’s slightly early yet but maybe I’m wrong. Was thinking end of the month ideally and more like 2kg/ac. Ground is all north facing at 600-700ft.

 

[Al R]

What seed rate are folk using for stubble turnips? Wanting to utilise ours from xmas onwards. Been advised rondo at 3kg/ac for broadcasting from mid June. We’ve had rain now but thinking it’s slightly early yet but maybe I’m wrong. Was thinking end of the month ideally and more like 2kg/ac. Ground is all north facing at 600-700ft.

One of the specialists on here will be better informed for that but we feed from January 5th onwards and we plant the last few days of June ( has to be in by 1st July for welsh HLS).

 

[Kevtherev]

What seed rate are folk using for stubble turnips? Wanting to utilise ours from xmas onwards. Been advised rondo at 3kg/ac for broadcasting from mid June. We’ve had rain now but thinking it’s slightly early yet but maybe I’m wrong. Was thinking end of the month ideally and more like 2kg/ac. Ground is all north facing at 600-700ft.

Drilled I put 1-1.8kg per acre
Broadcast 2-2.5kg per acre

 

[Jim75]

One of the specialists on here will be better informed for that but we feed from January 5th onwards and we plant the last few days of June ( has to be in by 1st July for welsh HLS).

Drilled I put 1-1.8kg per acre
Broadcast 2-2.5kg per acre

Cheers. Last year was our first with stubble turnips and were told 3kg/ac and although they didn’t come to much as they were in late August they were way to thick at that

 

[Great In Grass]

I’m confused. Either the orgasmics need to use organic seed, or they don’t. To set an arbitrary limit of 70% seems illogical, if there is supposedly something intrinsically wrong with conventionally produced seed.

There's not enough organic seed produced to supply the demand at 100% inclusion. I've had no organic Stubble Turnips on any price list this year for example.

 

[Great In Grass]

if there is supposedly something intrinsically wrong with conventionally produced seed.

Oh, nothing wrong with conventional seed sometimes it miraculously turns into organic!

 

[Sheepandcalfs]

Cheers. Last year was our first with stubble turnips and were told 3kg/ac and although they didn’t come to much as they were in late August they were way to thick at that

I was told to drill at 2kg/ac but no an arable farmer who sets it out for sheep tack drills at 1kg/ac says the bulbs grow far bigger and lasts the sheep longer my fear would be if they didn’t get the right growing conditions you’d be left with a miserable looking crop rest of year

 

[JD-Kid]

turnips for main crops here drilled at a bout 1 kg per ha

 

[Jim75]

I was told to drill at 2kg/ac but no an arable farmer who sets it out for sheep tack drills at 1kg/ac says the bulbs grow far bigger and lasts the sheep longer my fear would be if they didn’t get the right growing conditions you’d be left with a miserable looking crop rest of year

How much / what type fert are you putting on. Suspect indices are unknown. Out of long term ley, into redstart last year @Al R

 

[neilo]

Drilled I put 1-1.8kg per acre
Broadcast 2-2.5kg per acre

You’ve turned into a seed salesman.

If it rains, they will grow as well broadcast as drilled. Too high a seed rate and you’ll end up with lots of top and radish roots. When the top falls back with the first frost, you end up with very little. The DM is in the roots, so to get maximum DM output per hectare, you need to maximise the roots.

I would have thought 1kg/ac was about right for drilling, maybe 1.5-2kg/ac for broadcasting, depending on weather conditions at the time.

 

[neilo]

There's not enough organic seed produced to supply the demand at 100% inclusion. I've had no organic Stubble Turnips on any price list this year for example.

But if ‘conventional’ seed is somehow a problem for the orgasm police, surely they shouldn’t allow any? It’s either the work of the devil, or it’s not.

 

[Great In Grass]

But if ‘conventional’ seed is somehow a problem for the orgasm police, surely they shouldn’t allow any? It’s either the work of the devil, or it’s not.

What do you suggest organic growers must sow only 100% organic seed and when it's sold out those who have missed out go without for the year?