What stewardship option would decrease blackgrass rather than increase it?

[Laggard]

Suggestions please?

 

[teslacoils]

Stubbles.

 

[farmerm]

TE4: Supply and plant tree

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TE3: Planting fruit trees

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SW7: Arable reversion to grassland with low fertiliser input

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WD8: Creation of successional areas and scrub

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AB7: Whole crop cereals

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Anything there catch you eye.... failing that...

One of these and then top the heck out of it.

AB1: Nectar flower mix

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AB15: Two year sown legume fallow

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[warksfarmer]

TE4: Supply and plant tree

Find out about eligibility and requirements for the supply and plant tree item.

www.gov.uk

TE3: Planting fruit trees

Find out about eligibility and requirements for the planting fruit trees item.

www.gov.uk

SW7: Arable reversion to grassland with low fertiliser input

Find out about eligibility and requirements for the arable reversion to grassland with low fertiliser input option.

www.gov.uk

WD8: Creation of successional areas and scrub

Find out about eligibility and requirements for the creation of successional areas and scrub option.

www.gov.uk

AB7: Whole crop cereals

Find out about eligibility and requirements for the whole crop cereals option.

www.gov.uk

Anything there catch you eye.... failing that...

One of these and then top the heck out of it.

AB1: Nectar flower mix

Find out about eligibility and requirements for the nectar flower mix option.

www.gov.uk

AB15: Two year sown legume fallow

Find out about eligibility and requirements for the two year sown legume fallow option.

www.gov.uk

Topping continuously is the worse thing you can do because the blackgrass plants heads earlier and earlier to the point it’ll head at 1 inch high which you can’t top.

Whole crop cereals and grass leys are the only way if you don’t want bare stubbles.

 

[farmerm]

Topping continuously is the worse thing you can do because the blackgrass plants heads earlier and earlier to the point it’ll head at 1 inch high which you can’t top.

Whole crop cereals and grass leys are the only way if you don’t want bare stubbles.

Well at the point when its about to head at 1inch you go in and scalp it with the mower... Hypothetically might propaquizafop take out blackgrass without killing clover?

 

[colhonk]

So looking at them options,,,,, Farmland is fooked,and will never be usefull again in your lifetime. Exactly what the wokee civil servants want.

 

[Brisel]

Well at the point when its about to head at 1inch you go in and scalp it with the mower... Hypothetically might propaquizafop take out blackgrass without killing clover?

Clethodim is the only ACCase herbicide that would kill blackgrass and that's 2-3 leaf stage, not stem extension or later. If it isn't already resistant to it. Not allowed in CS options anyway.

 

[ajd132]

Stubbles.

My worse blackgrass on stubbles. It’s made the problem worse.

 

[robs1]

Letting BG head set seed and cut it before that seed becomes viable will kill it, cutting it as it heads but before it sets seed will make it head again very quickly.

 

[Flat 10]

My worse blackgrass on stubbles. It’s made the problem worse.

I’m still absolutely baffled how viable seed can set before 15thmay. Do you think you got less than 100% control from glyphosate. I think some survived in the bottom of ours and that might be a problem in the thickest patches. More attention to application required here.

 

[ajd132]

I’m still absolutely baffled how viable seed can set before 15thmay. Do you think you got less than 100% control from glyphosate. I think some survived in the bottom of ours and that might be a problem in the thickest patches. More attention to application required here.

I dont know, it was fully flowering on this farm early April last year, its abit later this year and is just starting to flower.

 

[robs1]

I’m still absolutely baffled how viable seed can set before 15thmay. Do you think you got less than 100% control from glyphosate. I think some survived in the bottom of ours and that might be a problem in the thickest patches. More attention to application required here.

Iirc niab research shows seed isn't viable till early/mid June at the earliest

 

[Power Harrow Pilot]

Letting BG head set seed and cut it before that seed becomes viable will kill it, cutting it as it heads but before it sets seed will make it head again very quickly.

How long after flowering does seed become viable?? How do you know when seed is set??

 

[ajd132]

Iirc niab research shows seed isn't viable till early/mid June at the earliest

Agree, but the Blackgrass in this stubble went to ear more than a month before I’ve ever seen befor, probably due to lack to crop competition and drought.

 

[robs1]

How long after flowering does seed become viable?? How do you know when seed is set??

Flowering is over a fairly long period per head, ours has had its pollen bits(can't remember their proper name) on the heads for around a week which is earlier than normal so would have set seed in the highest part of the head but dont expect it to be viable for a month yet, barley would be out in ear in a few days normally but won't be ripe for a good number of weeks, second growth from westerwolds we grow will set seed and become viable much quicker than first cut, that's from my observation

 

[robs1]

Agree, but the Blackgrass in this stubble went to ear more than a month before I’ve ever seen befor, probably due to lack to crop competition and drought.

Ours is in flower earlier than normal this time, it's making me a bit nervous that the Westwood won't be mature enough to cut or the weather right before seed in the BG is viable

 

[teslacoils]

My worse blackgrass on stubbles. It’s made the problem worse.

Whereas my cleanest fields were after stubbles and it has certainly be a useful tool.

As a stewardship option, the ££££ is also the best for the effort needed.

 

[teslacoils]

I'll also say that gs4 and even legume fallow outperforms my commercial grass leys in terms of gross margin.

 

[ajd132]

Whereas my cleanest fields were after stubbles and it has certainly be a useful tool.

As a stewardship option, the ££££ is also the best for the effort needed.

I know, hopefully it was a one off but it doesn’t seem to have reduced blackgrass on the one farm it’s on but it was the first year of it

 

[yellow belly]

How long after flowering does seed become viable?? How do you know when seed is set??

get seed between finger nail and thumb nail you can feel flesh in the seed
black grass heads only contain 30% viable seed they just have a lot

I have cut black grass in full flower in late May and then again in July august and reduced it by 99 % in the following crop
cut it too early before it flowers and it just heads sooner