What will happen to UK farm subsidies as farmers find themselves caught in Brexit crisis 'trap'?

[roscoe erf]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2196919467074047

 

[Highland Mule]

like you did mr so called details man

Where? Name the post and name the errors. Put up or shut up.

 

[Goweresque]

Oh that lie. In fact Mrs May has tried to get a deal through but can't get agreement within the UK.
Thing is, he was so bloody complacent that he never expected to lose and knew as soon as he had lost that he had just dumped the UK into one almighty mess. His responsibility along with Farage without whom we would all still be chugging along nicely with increased prosperity and great prospects. In contrast we are looking over the precipice and most conscientious MP's know it and are desperate to avoid it.

The entire referendum was based on Cameron's lie - that he had no intention of ever implementing a Leave vote, made no preparations whatsoever for such an eventuality, and even doubled down on his initial lie by stating during the campaign that he would personally stay on and deliver whatever the outcome was.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/10/david-cameron-stay-as-pm-if-i-lose-eu-referendum

There you have it, in black and white:


Asked if he would remain as prime minister if he lost the EU vote, he said: “The answer to that is yes. My policy is to hold a renegotiation and then a referendum. That is what we promised in the manifesto and then to abide by what the British public say. Now I hope that answer will be staying in a reformed Europe.


“The question on the ballot paper is very clear: it is stay in or go. It is not this politician’s future or that politician’s future. That is very important or otherwise we may not get the answer we need … My authority depends on holding the renegotiation, holding the referendum. That is what I promised, that is what I must deliver.”

How much more of a liar could he be?

 

[farmerm]

Plenty believed the spin - millions were conned by it. Some even repeat it on here. But I can't agree with you on getting out - it will cause huge damage to this country if we do go without a deal, and that is not a price worth paying to save face, or whatever. We need to be united, agreed, but I see far more damage, long term, from no deal Brexit than there would be from remaining.

I agree the damage may be colossal but it we do not leave now we will have to spend the next 40 years listening to the moaning and told you so from the leavers everything the EU does something we don't like. Worse than that however, failing to deliver Brexit will split the conservative party beyond reconciliation and leave the door wide open to either a perpetual, impotent, hung parliament or worse the terrifying Corbyn/McDonald alternative, perhaps for a generation. Like it or not, I have no power in what happens next, for my own sanity I have decided to accept Borris will have us out of the EU on 31st October, and fingers cross life will go on post Brexit, most people in this country couldn't bare having yet another extension to this process!

 

[Martin Holden]

“You plonker Rodney” funny though!!

 

[steveR]

Not only was it insulting our intelligence, but many farmers still seem to believe it despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. So maybe not so insulting after all.

Yep, I was at an excellent pre-referendum NFU meeting and it was apparent that a small but vocal minority had bought into it then hook, line and dead weight sinker!

 

[Raider112]

Plenty believed the spin - millions were conned by it. Some even repeat it on here. But I can't agree with you on getting out - it will cause huge damage to this country if we do go without a deal, and that is not a price worth paying to save face, or whatever. We need to be united, agreed, but I see far more damage, long term, from no deal Brexit than there would be from remaining.

If we were conned by it how come the leave vote is just as strong as before the vote?

 

[rob1]

"Boris rode the bus round the country, he left the truth at home," according to Cameron, the ex PM who got us into this mess mainly though BJ's duplicity and ambition. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49705213
"The conclusion I am left with is that he [Boris Johnson] risked an outcome he didn't believe in because it would help his political career."

whereas cameron offered a vote to save his skin as PM, have you forgotten all the sh!t/lies he said during the campaign ?

 

[farmerm]

If we were conned by it how come the leave vote is just as strong as before the vote?

You where not conned, you had already made up your mind before the debate even began. The conned where the few percent of the several percent that before the campaign began had no strong feelings either way, the few percent that made the difference between voting leave and voting remain, they where the conned, they made the difference.

 

[Still Farming]

Will they pay sfp early if as they say farmers are caught up in brexit trap?

 

[Raider112]

You where not conned, you had already made up your mind before the debate even began. The conned where the few percent of the several percent that before the campaign began had no strong feelings either way, the few percent that made the difference between voting leave and voting remain, they where the conned, they made the difference.

I don't think many were conned, we're not stupid. I wasn't too fussed either way beforehand, what swung it for me was Junker's arrogance towards Cameron when he was sure we would be staying. Since then I have become a passionate leaver so if I am any sort of a guide it's more the opposite of what you say.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Oh that lie. In fact Mrs May has tried to get a deal through but can't get agreement within the UK.
Thing is, he was so bloody complacent that he never expected to lose and knew as soon as he had lost that he had just dumped the UK into one almighty mess. His responsibility along with Farage without whom we would all still be chugging along nicely with increased prosperity and great prospects. In contrast we are looking over the precipice and most conscientious MP's know it and are desperate to avoid it.

How will you ever show yourself in public when your proved wrong , you will be a local laughing stock

 

[Tarw Coch]

whereas cameron offered a vote to save his skin as PM, have you forgotten all the sh!t/lies he said during the campaign ?

I remember thinking at the time of campaigning for the referendum that a lot of shyte was talked by both sides, but then again, that didn’t really surprise me from politicians.
What does surprise me is the people who think the other side talked shyte but their side didn’t.

 

[Tarw Coch]

How will you ever show yourself in public when your proved wrong , you will be a local laughing stock

That statement could apply to people on both sides depending on how things pan out in time.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

That statement could apply to people on both sides depending on how things pan out in time.

Yes I've always said farming would be a lot healthier if we had not have joined the eu 40 years . But I dont hold it against those who were conned into voting us in

 

[Highland Mule]

If we were conned by it how come the leave vote is just as strong as before the vote?

Is it? Last poll I saw suggested not, but that was a few months ago.

 

[Cowabunga]

How will you ever show yourself in public when your proved wrong , you will be a local laughing stock

We'll see if YOU can pay your bills in two year's time. If we are out, I'm out of livestock as soon as I possibly can be. Hopefully they will be daft enough pay me to rewild or plant trees or tend badgers of something.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Is it? Last poll I saw suggested not, but that was a few months ago.

The polls suggested remain would win the referendum, there’s only one way to know for sure, wether that would settle the argument is another matter.

 

[Highland Mule]

The polls suggested remain would win the referendum, there’s only one way to know for sure, wether that would settle the argument is another matter.

It wasn’t as clear cut as that though, was it? The pre-referendum polls suggested the result was in the balance and well within the accepted margins of error. Sure, some media may have expected remain to scrape through, but those that did the polling were not surprised by the result and many made a fortune on the back of it.

The latest polls suggest that the public regret the result, on balance, and there has been a shift towards remain.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

We'll see if YOU can pay your bills in two year's time. If we are out, I'm out of livestock as soon as I possibly can be. Hopefully they will be daft enough pay me to rewild or plant trees or tend badgers of something.

I would be more concerned about that load of shytsters in Cardiff , pity we cant vote them away as well