What's going on?

[Werzle]

trade is flying, how long it will stay up, is any bodies guess. Lot of y/s for sale, not expensive, farmers selling, replacing with milkers ? But if some to sell, do it, if they are the 'right' thing, just sit down, before looking at the cheque, might shock you.
But there are a lot more, talking about selling up, TB holds a lot back, and barren price is high, while there isn't enough cows now, to satisfy demand, some where, the two will meet.
Huge amount of sexed semen used, so plenty heifers coming along, just as plenty selling up, all depends on what the milk price does.

Trades flying? What kind of money are these sales averaging? Fortnight ago it all looked abit grim with too many herds for sale with not enough buyers but abit of negative press above future milk supply and arla putting its price up 3p has restored abit of confidence. Herds sales averaging £1200 with a few best cows at 2k isnt a flying trade when you see the milk cheque lost imo.
From what i see many dairy farms have herds too big for the acrerage and the costs of hauling in grub and hauling out waste along with the 24/7 grind of work and ever increasing pollution rules are souring the job.

 

[Jdunn55]

Trades flying? What kind of money are these sales averaging? Fortnight ago it all looked abit grim with too many herds for sale with not enough buyers but abit of negative press above future milk supply and arla putting its price up 3p has restored abit of confidence. Herds sales averaging £1200 with a few best cows at 2k isnt a flying trade when you see the milk cheque lost imo.
From what i see many dairy farms have herds too big for the acrerage and the costs of hauling in grub and hauling out waste along with the 24/7 grind of work and ever increasing pollution rules are souring the job.

For me flying trade needs to be cows averaging over £2000 with young fresh heifers around £2500

I'm not convinced many herds rear heifers for less than £1500 and definitely very few below £1200 so when you see first lactation heifers selling for £1600-1800 I wouldn't be convinced that's particularly brilliant tbh especially when you work out what you could have earned if you milked them yourself

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Ex dairy farm. One of a few that are reputed to be fetching £15k an acre, no chance anyone will complete and farm it at this price.
Not sure it’s just BA , after talking to the fencer here today. Apparently a company buy a farm, subdivide it into five acre plots( where the fencer is involved) and then the plots are sold for carbon offset tree planting.

I hate the expression "boils my pee", but this is one instance where I think it is warranted. Seems like we are starting to see a highland clearances here in Wales.

 

[In the pit]

what type of farm was it that British Airways have bought in Crymych for tree planting?

200 acres near Haverfordwest which had been rented for last 10 years by a 1800 cow herd for slurry/silage

 

[Tim G]

Nice little farm near here sold a few years ago. New owners now advertising shares in a 21 acre field that they are Re-Wilding. They don't say how big your share is (crafty) but businesses or individuals can purchase a share for £100 or £50 respectively, for 1 year to offset their carbon use. The money charged is to help finance the management and maintence (different idea of Re Wilding to mine) and replace lost income (they didn't farm it anyway).

Seems like legitimate con artists.

 

[Jdunn55]

Nice little farm near here sold a few years ago. New owners now advertising shares in a 21 acre field that they are Re-Wilding. They don't say how big your share is (crafty) but businesses or individuals can purchase a share for £100 or £50 respectively, for 1 year to offset their carbon use. The money charged is to help finance the management and maintence (different idea of Re Wilding to mine) and replace lost income (they didn't farm it anyway).

Seems like legitimate con artists.

That's a pyramid scheme if I ever did here one
Its funny but also scary, I'm hoping that all this rewilding sh!t will be a phase that in 10 years time will be looked back on as a scheme created by idiots and if people can't get food as international supplies have become too tight as developing countries hold onto it for their own and our own supplies have dwindled then we may well be paid well too reagriculturalise them once again (probably dreaming but who knows anymore )

 

[Mr Jones]

what type of farm was it that British Airways have bought in Crymych for tree planting?

Not just North Pembs. Carmarthenshire has experienced what you've quoted in the last 5 months, on a bigger scale.

 

[jondear]

200 acres near Haverfordwest which had been rented for last 10 years by a 1800 cow herd for slurry/silage

Well 1800 cow herd sounds great!

 

[som farmer]

For me flying trade needs to be cows averaging over £2000 with young fresh heifers around £2500

I'm not convinced many herds rear heifers for less than £1500 and definitely very few below £1200 so when you see first lactation heifers selling for £1600-1800 I wouldn't be convinced that's particularly brilliant tbh especially when you work out what you could have earned if you milked them yourself

if you have stock to sell, prices are good, even if not flying, that is, if you want, or even need to sell, take the trade now, if you don't, and wait, is the trade going to stay up ? It's a gamble, good hfrs are around £2k. All farming is a gamble, we sow, breed, plan for the future, without ever knowing what the outcome will be, weather, supply/demand, dictates that.

Nice little farm near here sold a few years ago. New owners now advertising shares in a 21 acre field that they are Re-Wilding. They don't say how big your share is (crafty) but businesses or individuals can purchase a share for £100 or £50 respectively, for 1 year to offset their carbon use. The money charged is to help finance the management and maintence (different idea of Re Wilding to mine) and replace lost income (they didn't farm it anyway).

Seems like legitimate con artists.

that's a new take, on selling plots, with 'potential' building permission, amazing how many 'plots' you can get in a 10ac field, with virtually zero chance of planning.
What you never hear, is how many mugs fall for it.
The 'planning' plots con, has occurred 2 or 3 times locally, over the years, no houses ever been built on them though, l suspect a few fall for it.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

if you have stock to sell, prices are good, even if not flying, that is, if you want, or even need to sell, take the trade now, if you don't, and wait, is the trade going to stay up ? It's a gamble, good hfrs are around £2k. All farming is a gamble, we sow, breed, plan for the future, without ever knowing what the outcome will be, weather, supply/demand, dictates that.

that's a new take, on selling plots, with 'potential' building permission, amazing how many 'plots' you can get in a 10ac field, with virtually zero chance of planning.
What you never hear, is how many mugs fall for it.
The 'planning' plots con, has occurred 2 or 3 times locally, over the years, no houses ever been built on them though, l suspect a few fall for it.

of course if we ever need to "re farm" land due to a food shortage, that could make it very difficult if the fields are divided into lots of plots under individual ownership, with some not wanting to sell again or happy to have their rewilded land!

 

[glasshouse]

I hate the expression "boils my pee", but this is one instance where I think it is warranted. Seems like we are starting to see a highland clearances here in Wales.

Go out at night and unplant them

 

[Will Blackburn]

of course if we ever need to "re farm" land due to a food shortage, that could make it very difficult if the fields are divided into lots of plots under individual ownership, with some not wanting to sell again or happy to have their rewilded land!

Sounds like it will need Russian style collectivisation, and the rest of us as well, that will boost output!

 

[deleted user 837354]

Neighbour here must have spent millions starting his dairy. Apart from a couple of decent sheds, he has put all the other infrastructure in.
Odd imo

There are still people out there who see a profit at the end of the tunnel, and I know some seriously good farmers who have mentioned before that if they could find the right farm and the right people for it they would have a go at a second unit as well.

The 500 cow mark is surely a balance point between a big and effective business and a real pain in the chuff.

 

[vantage]

I hate the expression "boils my pee", but this is one instance where I think it is warranted. Seems like we are starting to see a highland clearances here in Wales.

All land is fair game.

Well 1800 cow herd sounds great!

Run as one, but actually 2 units of 900 as I understand.

 

[som farmer]

of course if we ever need to "re farm" land due to a food shortage, that could make it very difficult if the fields are divided into lots of plots under individual ownership, with some not wanting to sell again or happy to have their rewilded land!

reckon the towrags that work this con, give a thought to that ?

 

[In the pit]

All land is fair game.

Run as one, but actually 2 units of 900 as I understand.

Yes trying to buy /rent more and more land all the time, but biggest problem they have is nobody wants them because of the amount of slurry they put on
3 farm owners I know of didn’t want them renting there land because of the slurry , so there having to travel further which is adding more cost to the job. How long before it becomes unsustainable

 

[jondear]

Yes trying to buy /rent more and more land all the time, but biggest problem they have is nobody wants them because of the amount of slurry they put on
3 farm owners I know of didn’t want them renting there land because of the slurry , so there having to travel further which is adding more cost to the job. How long before it becomes unsustainable

It already is !

 

[Jdunn55]

Yes trying to buy /rent more and more land all the time, but biggest problem they have is nobody wants them because of the amount of slurry they put on
3 farm owners I know of didn’t want them renting there land because of the slurry , so there having to travel further which is adding more cost to the job. How long before it becomes unsustainable

How much land do they have around the yard for grazing? 3 cows/ha = 600 ha or 1500 acres, poor cows must be travelling a long way some days... oh wait hang on

 

[In the pit]

How much land do they have around the yard for grazing? 3 cows/ha = 600 ha or 1500 acres, poor cows must be travelling a long way some days... oh wait hang on

Indoor 365
Slurry goes one way , silage the other

 

[In the pit]

How much land do they have around the yard for grazing? 3 cows/ha = 600 ha or 1500 acres, poor cows must be travelling a long way some days... oh wait hang on

Not enough