Whats the motivation for going net zero?

soapsud

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Dorset
Well it’s fairly simple really. We can all do something to improve the situation.
I can’t really see why it’s so controversial or has to be seen as a conspiracy.
Once you realign your priorities you don’t even miss what you used to yearn for.
Weaning off carbon is like an alcoholic coming off booze.
I used to do on business trips by air as an employee. I can’t think of one that wasn’t an utter waste of time and couldn’t have been sorted out by phone or video conference. People went in these trips for a “jolly” and out of habit. I never saw much pleasure in foreign travel to be honest. Waste of time.
You've had/have the best of both worlds. I was born and raised in an old mill town in the NW and married into a farming family down south which means I can see things from more than one point of view too.
Yes, tin hat fanciful nonsense is one thing but remember the young. Our grandaughter is unlikely to enjoy what we enjoyed as kids.
 

gone

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Carlow Ireland
Not if the Atlantic conveyor and jet stream weaken, that could mean much colder winters and hot dry summers, yet some forecasts predict wetter winters and drier summers, just depends which experts you listen too, remember the prediction from experts that hundreds of thousand would die from eggs and millions from BSE, remember the second claim was made about people who had already eaten contaminated beef so wasnt reduced by the controls brought in to stop more bring infected, last time I looked under 200 hundred had died ( that's still tragic for their families) economic predictions rarely come close, weather experts cant predict the end of the week, follow the money it's all about the money as always
The weakening of the Gulf stream might lead to cooler winters, but global warming will lead to warmer winters. It looks like there might be warmer, dryer summers, but islands in the middle of the north Atlantic will not become arid
 

roscoe erf

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Livestock Farmer
Well then. Ground all airplanes for a start. One car per family. Curb consumerism. Ask the Chinese government to stop using coal. Order Putin to stop wasting fuel in Ukraine.
Good luck.........

Meanwhile...........poor owd @7610 super q is expected to spend £70k on a no plough drill to sow his 50 acres of crops.
just stop bloody breeding
 
Yep. The UK's winters are either comparatively warm and wet or cold and dry. All the cyclones and anti-clones we see on weather maps above the UK are basically cold arctic air and warm Mexican Gulf air having a little dance to decide who gets to go on top first.


Yeah, this anti-cyclonic weather is great. Cold as fudge, no wind, sunlight as weak as 3 day old pish and so you're stuck relying on coal, gas and uranium.

People keep telling me wind and solar PV are dirt cheap. Even heard phrases like: 'no brainer' (spend thousands trying to harvest units of energy which still cost pish all at 30p a go, yeah, batteries as well, another 5 grand to store a few kWs etc etc).

If the above was true why in the ever living fudge did the government have to subsidise the installation of the stuff? AD plants are just the same. You'd understand it if Nuclear power got a government bung because they involve a lot of civils and concrete and take years to build. Solar power can go from a field to an eyesore in the space of months.

I'll say it again if it helps. The Western world ain't ever gonna feed it's needs from Solar or wind alone and people suggesting the use of batteries to store grid-level amounts of power need calculators that function properly. All renewables have done have driven the demand for stand by diesel generators (expensive with a capital F), biomass (about as carbon/planet/atmosphere friendly as my GI tract after a curry and 5 pints of Grolsch) and fast startup open-cycle gas turbines.

If Germany (whose electricity has always been this expensive) had spent all the money on nuclear power instead of this green lark, they would already be more carbon neutral than France.
 
Everybody who uses air travel should be forced to personally fill the plane fuel tanks using 5 gallon drums in my view, pouring in their share of the fuel to be used on the flight. Nobody even realises how much is used. It’s astronomical amounts per day. And what for? To go abroad where it’s too hot and sit in a chair drinking. History won’t look upon our profligate use of scarce resources in a very good light.

Air travel should be taxed, end of. I'd scalp the fudgers 10% of the ticket price. Take it or leave it. Use the funds to push into nuclear power even faster and further. Develop a UK national waste repository and store all the existing wastes in there. Our grandchildren would inherit a far better world. Here, we saved the planet and didn't pollute the fudge out of it but by the way we have stored all this small volume of stuff you can monitor carefully and all in one location for the next 300 years.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
You've had/have the best of both worlds. I was born and raised in an old mill town in the NW and married into a farming family down south which means I can see things from more than one point of view too.
Yes, tin hat fanciful nonsense is one thing but remember the young. Our grandaughter is unlikely to enjoy what we enjoyed as kids.
I had about 15 years living and working in the roughest areas of cities. There were two sorts of local people there. The ones who cared and the ones who didn’t. Governments obviously make a difference but so do communities. To say we are all just disempowered stooges and pawns of global institutions is wrong and dishonest. We all have certain amount of freedom to shape our own future and that of the planet. It’s not all the governments fault, Tescos fault or even the Red Tractor or the NFU’s fault. Yet this forum has become a troll infested shsrk pool that rips to pieces every innovation, every institution because of some kind of mass paranoia that seems to be setting in. Get out from behind the keyboard and go into the real world where you’ll find moderation and reason not bizarre extremist crackpot views shooting down all optimism for change for the good. And yes I’ve been sucked down that route many a time. But no more, I’m out. 👍
 

robs1

Member
The weakening of the Gulf stream might lead to cooler winters, but global warming will lead to warmer winters. It looks like there might be warmer, dryer summers, but islands in the middle of the north Atlantic will not become arid
The uk was pretty arid this summer as was much of europe, as I understand it it's the north atlantic conveyor that gives us the mild winters, it's that that brings the warm water towards us that the gulf stream picks up, the cold artic weather that causes the huge high pressure blocking systems that give eastern europe and russia cold weather only need to move a few hundred miles east to give us that cold. I have seen predictions for cold and warm winters here, time will tell and may well get both over time
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
I don't think you can sustainably control population growth. You can however give people more choice and then they naturally will reduce population
Well the demographics of most of the Western countries, China, Japan will see populations plummet in the next 30 years. China's one child policy has worked only too well....

No doubt some of the more industrialised 3rd world counties will do the same in time.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
The uk was pretty arid this summer as was much of europe, as I understand it it's the north atlantic conveyor that gives us the mild winters, it's that that brings the warm water towards us that the gulf stream picks up, the cold artic weather that causes the huge high pressure blocking systems that give eastern europe and russia cold weather only need to move a few hundred miles east to give us that cold. I have seen predictions for cold and warm winters here, time will tell and may well get both over time
We call it weather... 🤷‍♂️
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
So you advocate for uncontrolled, libertarianism with unlimited population expansion? :scratchhead: No species can sustain exponential population growth indefinitely whilst contained to a finite enclosure with finite resources.... Population limits can either be imposed by controlled wars, controlled pandemics or I hope rather more subtle, less destructive policies... failing that eventually population control will be imposed naturally by uncontrolled wars, uncontrolled pandemics and uncontrolled people..... As a Westerner my offspring are far more likely to have a rosy future in a world that is at least partially managed than one in which all things are left to nature. There is a sweet spot to be found between uncontrolled libertarianism in which everyone does exactly what they please and totalitanism in which such freedom is held only by a select few.
You presume alot for a mobile clot
 

soapsud

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Dorset
I had about 15 years living and working in the roughest areas of cities. There were two sorts of local people there. The ones who cared and the ones who didn’t. Governments obviously make a difference but so do communities. To say we are all just disempowered stooges and pawns of global institutions is wrong and dishonest. We all have certain amount of freedom to shape our own future and that of the planet. It’s not all the governments fault, Tescos fault or even the Red Tractor or the NFU’s fault. Yet this forum has become a troll infested shsrk pool that rips to pieces every innovation, every institution because of some kind of mass paranoia that seems to be setting in. Get out from behind the keyboard and go into the real world where you’ll find moderation and reason not bizarre extremist crackpot views shooting down all optimism for change for the good. And yes I’ve been sucked down that route many a time. But no more, I’m out. 👍
Fair enough. You're a good writer though and trolls are useful for sharpening arguments. Why do you spose I post walls of rambling text? To see if someone can knock 'em down or if an idea a two has merit and stays standing.

So far, TFF only seems to have one political activist that I've seen and a load of witty types who crack good banter. That means there's room for a few preachy grumps.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Fair enough. You're a good writer though and trolls are useful for sharpening arguments. Why do you spose I post walls of rambling text? To see if someone can knock 'em down or if an idea a two has merit and stays standing.

So far, TFF only seems to have one political activist that I've seen and a load of witty types who crack good banter. That means there's room for a few preachy grumps.
I find your posts moderate and reasonable. Keep up the good work. I’ll still enjoy reading but I’ve wasted far too much time and energy on this forum and it has at times brought out a very bad side to me. It’s incredibly addictive. 21,000 posts. I need to get a life! Thanks and good luck to all.👍
 

HallFarmBill

Member
Arable Farmer
Everybody who uses air travel should be forced to personally fill the plane fuel tanks using 5 gallon drums in my view, pouring in their share of the fuel to be used on the flight. Nobody even realises how much is used. It’s astronomical amounts per day.

When I last worked it out a few years ago in my old job, the worlds airliners were using about 600,000 tonnes of kerosene a day.

I was doing a bit of work on the integration of this puppy https://www.taxibot-international.com/ at one stage, and the fuel savings by not taxiing airliners with their own engines are huge. Every little helps!
 
Power and wealth transfer

plain and simple

Ant…

Just another get rich quick scheme, just like the dot.com bubble. Making money out of thin air. You wait, give it 5-10 years and the news will emerge that people who thought they were helping the planet paying money to get trees planted were actually paying for a grid reference in the North Atlantic or a suburb in Peckham.
 

robs1

Member
An excellent article on this nonsense

We all know its nonsense, but by 2030 this commitment will have been forgotten about by all but a few climate crisis zealots, by 2050 everyone will have forgotten about it, nothing to see here move on, the only worry is if enough idiots vote green at the next election to give them a balance of power and end up in the situation Germany is in with energy
 

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