Wheat expectations?

[Bogweevil]

Did you plough the glacier in? Old Boys always said never plough snow in cos nothing will grow for years

Sadly glaciers are now hard to find south of Scotch Corner, I expect there are plenty in Scotland though.

 

[warksfarmer]

What are everyone's thoughts then? Heard 'massive' on a different thread from south of us.

May just be us, but mid/later season wheats(altitude or drill date/variety) hit by cool & wet at flowering-michodochium 15-20% florets on some ears, despite very robust (+PTZ) head spray. Earlier flowering much better, but septoria on Cougar parentage(Firefly). Stem/nodal & root fusarium also pretty evident doubtless from the very wet May. Will be far from bad, just not as good as the density and provenance of the crop could have expressed given differing circumstances. Regionally I imagine some escaped flowering issues, but may have caught others due to timing differences.

Crops completely turned local to me over the weekend-and it was not that hot

3.5t of group 1. It’s our 20 year average and this year is just another normal year. 1/2 inch rain yesterday has flattened more of it though. Substantial rains over the next 2 weeks could see it all flat.

Spring wheat still looking good and I think that could also push towards 3.5t. Could be the star crop this year as it’s all standing a lot shorter than WW so shouldn’t go down.

 

[MrNoo]

Yes, I think Spring wheat will do very well again this year, mine looks a picture. WW when I rubbed a load out on Monday, the grains were small, the crop looks well, ears look good but small grains, hearing others say the same locally. So average but guess we'll soon find out

 

[texelburger]

I think wheat will disappoint, quite a bit of disease around the country I've been told,especially Septoria.

 

[Days of thunder]

3.5t of group 1. It’s our 20 year average and this year is just another normal year. 1/2 inch rain yesterday has flattened more of it though. Substantial rains over the next 2 weeks could see it all flat.

Spring wheat still looking good and I think that could also push towards 3.5t. Could be the star crop this year as it’s all standing a lot shorter than WW so shouldn’t go down.

You have got to pleased with that as apparently you don’t spend any money growing it.

 

[warksfarmer]

You have got to pleased with that as apparently you don’t spend any money growing it.

Looking like a good year hopefully yes. As for spending nothing - we spend as little as possible. This year it’s had 200kg N, no P & K, no slug pellets, 3 cheap fungicides with some manganese thrown in and one growth reg, no snake oils. 2 x herbicides. It was direct drilled.

Not the cheapest due to the 3 x fungicides but it all looks ok. Nothing sold forward and we’ll wait for the impending £250/t feed base plus milling premium.

 

[neilo]

Looking like a good year hopefully yes. As for spending nothing - we spend as little as possible. This year it’s had 200kg N, no P & K, no slug pellets, 3 cheap fungicides with some manganese thrown in and one growth reg, no snake oils. 2 x herbicides. It was direct drilled.

Not the cheapest due to the 3 x fungicides but it all looks ok. Nothing sold forward and we’ll wait for the impending £250/t feed base plus milling premium.

Isn’t ‘no P & K’ just robbing the ground? Surely take off needs to be replaced, as a minimum?

 

[warksfarmer]

Isn’t ‘no P & K’ just robbing the ground? Surely take off needs to be replaced, as a minimum?

The simple answer is no. We haven’t used any bagged P & K since 2006 - 15 years. Up till 2012 we used compost. We tried some AD digestate in 2017 applied to the crop leaf (wheat). We test fully (GPS) every 5-6 years but also do routine test if we have a concern. We haven’t noticed any large drop in soil index levels.
We have rotated various cover crops in front of spring down crops as well.

I think the whole soil index system is massively outdated and almost irrelevant to be honest. Testing plant tissue surely is the way forward.

 

[SilliamWhale]

The simple answer is no. We haven’t used any bagged P & K since 2006 - 15 years. Up till 2012 we used compost. We tried some AD digestate in 2017 applied to the crop leaf (wheat). We test fully (GPS) every 5-6 years but also do routine test if we have a concern. We haven’t noticed any large drop in soil index levels.
We have rotated various cover crops in front of spring down crops as well.

I think the whole soil index system is massively outdated and almost irrelevant to be honest. Testing plant tissue surely is the way forward.

I don't think soil index are outdated at all.

 

[lloyd]

I don't think soil index are outdated at all.

I'm a bit sceptical how accurate whole field soil index testing is .
Doing more plant tissue testing as well.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I'm a bit sceptical how accurate whole field soil index testing is .
Doing more plant tissue testing as well.

Well that's even more innacurate. And expensive

 

[Adeptandy]

Expectations dropping by the day with the current weather

 

[Case290]

Lots of straw here. Wheat Better than i thought it was going to guess 3.5t

 

[Steevo]

Expectations dropping by the day with the current weather

Agreed.

Milling quality could be questionable across the board given the 14 day forecast.

 

[bankrupt]

across the board

Same goes for feed.

Doubt we shall be 72Kg on all varieties.

 

[thorpe]

The simple answer is no. We haven’t used any bagged P & K since 2006 - 15 years. Up till 2012 we used compost. We tried some AD digestate in 2017 applied to the crop leaf (wheat). We test fully (GPS) every 5-6 years but also do routine test if we have a concern. We haven’t noticed any large drop in soil index levels.
We have rotated various cover crops in front of spring down crops as well.

I think the whole soil index system is massively outdated and almost irrelevant to be honest. Testing plant tissue surely is the way forward.

if you do tissue tests its often too late for that season!

 

[Feldspar]

Started wheat today. 21 percent. Forcing it, but economics work and the sample is decent and it threshed fine actually. 20 Oct drilled Extase. Not ridiculously light land either. Picked out the fitter bits. Yield probably 10% below what I thought this field might do. Going to try and run it to a lab for protein (+ hagberg) in the morning.

 

[Bignor Farmer]

Started wheat today. 21 percent. Forcing it, but economics work and the sample is decent and it threshed fine actually. 20 Oct drilled Extase. Not ridiculously light land either. Picked out the fitter bits. Yield probably 10% below what I thought this field might do. Going to try and run it to a lab for protein (+ hagberg) in the morning.

Similar story here, started some Firefly yesterday afternoon at 21% got down to low 18% in the wind and sun.
Broke down before we finished the field but I expect we’re running a bit under 9t/ha and I hoped for a bit over 9t/ha.
Much better stuff to come so not a disaster but not how it looked 6 weeks ago.

 

[Bignor Farmer]

Dried sample of Firefly, not as badly pinched as I feared.

 

[Honest john]

We cut a small area last night of 2nd wheat, one ton ac of grain has gone into the straw.
So not great. Also 19%. We have had bits of hail but mostly it’s small grains not enough sunshine