Where did my steak come from.

[FarmyStu]

Really must just be wales that does then

Every farm, every year? Really? By who?

 

[roscoe erf]

Every farm, every year? Really? By who?

One or another

 

[DrWazzock]

There is a lot of checking goes on "behind the scenes". They don't need to visit you to know if your tag numbering is going awry, just as they don't seem to need to check what's on the ground as they have the infernal satellite. The computer tells them everything, and if you mess it up your beast will end up impounded and destroyed at the market, completely unsaleable.

It's largely self regulating. Records must be maintained by law and you will be caught out at various checkpoints along the way if you go wrong. Poorly treated animals don't thrive. It's only the mentally ill IME, that mistreat their stock or are recklessly negligent. These people soon get picked up by the powers that be.

 

[Henarar]

It's great that you can eat meat that you can trace from birth to your mouth. I think consumers should also be offered this. Don't you?

Obviously they can't take the producers word for it. I doubt any of the farmers in the stories I posted above would be honest about conditions on their farms so independent verification would be required. A whole life assurance scheme perhaps?

no just cts
what the f**k has rt got to do with tracability from farm to farm SFA that's what

 

[FarmyStu]

There is a lot of checking goes on "behind the scenes". They don't need to visit you to know if your tag numbering is going awry, just as they don't seem to need to check what's on the ground as they have the infernal satellite. The computer tells them everything, and if you mess it up your beast will end up impounded and destroyed at the market, completely unsaleable.

It's largely self regulating. Records must be maintained by law and you will be caught out at various checkpoints along the way if you go wrong. Poorly treated animals don't thrive. It's only the mentally ill IME, that mistreat their stock or are recklessly negligent. These people soon get picked up by the powers that be.

Sorry but that's just not my experience. In fact the sheep movement and tagging system is so widely ignored that I doubt it would be of much use in the event of another F & M outbreak. There are also plenty of untagged cattle out there that have never been registered. Totally unsaleable in the regulated market but they are still out there. Not many people will admit to mistreating animals and I'd bet if you asked those in the stories above how they treat their livestock they'd genuinely think they were doing an ok job. It's naive to think everyone is trying their best to comply with the rules. Some really can't be bothered and are getting away with it. But those sorts aren't on here.

 

[Lincsman]

egg can be traced easily to a hen farm from the egg and box itself, but not the actual hen, they have no ears to tag so how would you expect to be able to keep records.

i think the past year working in a egg factory is showing here, but it is very easy to trace, meat will never be fully traceable but it ,makes the shopper feel like they are eating a safe food. to be honest i think the most reliable egg is a cage or collony egg followed by barn eggs but if the shop chooses not to sell them then a shopper cant buy them, same with meat, you can only buy what they sell-in this case fully tracable steak from one of 8 animals

All you have to do is put each hen in a cage on its own and label its egg accordingly, ie; Hen in house 3, cage 59, on row 7 , the shopper could then have full confidence in the system.

 

[spin cycle]

You're all right of course. FA is a waste of time as are trading standards checks and other government inspections. Every farmer should be trusted to provide produce of the highest standards and all be paid exactly the same amount for it. Any bad apples would be weeded out by other farmers in a matter of days and sent packing.

That at least is the mindset that comes across on these threads. I don't go along with it for a second. Due to past and present farm visits and to simply using Google:

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index...ers-after-meat-sandwiches-fed-to-pigs.181990/

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/failed-mold-farmer-banned-six-12669170

http://www.fwi.co.uk/news/farmers-convicted-of-welfare-and-environment-breaches.htm

http://www.duncanlewis.co.uk/Legal_...r_animal_welfare_offences_(27_June_2017).html

http://www.cornwalllive.com/calling...t-conviction/story-30365888-detail/story.html

http://www.chewvalleygazette.co.uk/article.cfm?id=101487&headline=Chew Stoke farmer banned from owning sheep after animal welfare conviction&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2016

http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/g...tock-farmer-who-caused-unnecessary-suffering/

https://news.surreycc.gov.uk/2016/0...n-suspended-jail-sentence-for-animal-cruelty/

https://www.daera-ni.gov.uk/news/farmer-receives-suspended-sentence

http://www.ceredigion.gov.uk/English/Resident/News/Pages/Animal-Welfare-Prosecution.aspx

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36027593

Now I don't for a second think that TFF contributors would be involved in anything like any of the above and would find it as shocking as the next person. But do not assume that other farmers work to the same standards as you. I've never come across welfare cases as bad as the above but have still come across them. What I have come across regularly are a casual disregard for any sort of tagging (sheep and cattle), record keeping or attempt to comply with any disease control measures. As far as I know, government inspections cover around 3% of farmers per year. RT inspect 100% on a regular basis. That's why I'm in favour of FA. More specifically whole life FA. Without it, your RT assured steak/lamb/pork or poultry could have started life on one of the farms above. That cannot be right. To me that's much more important than the issue raised by the OP.

farm assurance didn't stop any of those cases and how do we know animals from such farms don't end up badged as RT on the shelves if traceability fails at the abbatoir?

i know at least one RT farmer who i don't is fit to keep stock at all....RT means as long as paperwork ok he's golden

 

[roscoe erf]

farm assurance didn't stop any of those cases and how do we know animals from such farms don't end up badged as RT on the shelves if traceability fails at the abbatoir?

i know at least one RT farmer who i don't is fit to keep stock at all....RT means as long as paperwork ok he's golden

farm assurance didn't stop any of those cases and how do we know animals from such farms don't end up badged as RT on the shelves if traceability fails at the abbatoir?

i know at least one RT farmer who i don't is fit to keep stock at all....RT means as long as paperwork ok he's golden

You on doubles now

 

[roscoe erf]

farm assurance didn't stop any of those cases and how do we know animals from such farms don't end up badged as RT on the shelves if traceability fails at the abbatoir?

i know at least one RT farmer who i don't is fit to keep stock at all....RT means as long as paperwork ok he's golden

Triples

 

[Wendy10]

It had a name? You callous barsteward. How can you eat an animal with a name?

Years ago we bought some beef from a neighbour. Quite off putting when you pulled a pack from the freezer with Daisy on it. She did it to check which breed x came out best!

 

[FarmyStu]

farm assurance didn't stop any of those cases and how do we know animals from such farms don't end up badged as RT on the shelves if traceability fails at the abbatoir?

i know at least one RT farmer who i don't is fit to keep stock at all....RT means as long as paperwork ok he's golden

That's my point!! I doubt any of these farms were FA. This is why is why I'm in favour of WLA. As it currently stands animals from farms like these can legally and in compliance with the rules end up as RT assured. Wrong wrong wrong.

I've also been on RT farms that shouldn't be assured. That suggest rules are not been applied by inspectors rigorously. RT inspectors should carry out physical checks of the farm and livestock, not just the paperwork.

 

[caveman]

That's my point!! I doubt any of these farms were FA. This is why is why I'm in favour of WLA. As it currently stands animals from farms like these can legally and in compliance with the rules end up as RT assured. Wrong wrong wrong.

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You do write some bollox.
What next?
No animals that have had treatments should be allowed in the food chain?
Nothing wrong with a "withdrawal period" from non assured, to gain assured status.

 

[Wooly]

I'm no lawyer, but my guess is that's a criminal offence - fraud and misrepresentation.

Hopefully neither of us is naive not to know that selling non assured as RT is not widespread !

Big scale fraud once it leaves the farm gate and overlooked by RT, just as selling horse was overlooked by Findus.

 

[milkloss]

It seems to me that everyone in the RT chain should be shouldering their part of the traceability burden and the farmers are doing thier bit. Something tells me the killing/packing/smarkets are certainly not. They should be pressured to step up and give what the public wants. WLA is NOT going to make traceability better and will simply shoulder more responsibility on the framer that quite honestly is already the most traceable part of the chain. I don't care about the 90 day rule as any RT farm is complying the way he is supposed to. Get the rest of the chain playing ball and then we might as well.

I'm going to go to bed angry tonight.

 

[joe soapy]

Why? there should be nothing to hide.

I would happily go on a tour to see farmer joes cow bought by ABP, off to which ever abattoir, off to which ever cutting plant and then into its pack and labeled.
Each and every cow in that slaughter batch should be able to traced back to its farm of last residence at the very least. This is what, as a shopper I am led to believe.

Or, is it actually, they can only be traced to a 'batch' of cattle bought from either NI or England, again if this is the case, then drop the tracebility claim, it is misleading to the shopper, and misleading to the farmer who is jumping through hoops.

not Abp, but they do come to Sheffield, maybe i will hitch a ride next time landyman is away

 

[wdah/him]

All you have to do is put each hen in a cage on its own and label its egg accordingly, ie; Hen in house 3, cage 59, on row 7 , the shopper could then have full confidence in the system.

most hens are now free range or barn

 

[Steevo]

most hens are now free range or barn

Just give each hen a number, and put the same number next to their individual nest box. Couldn't be simpler.....

 

[wdah/him]

egg problem sorted , what about the steak? or even the mince?

 

[kiwi pom]

Well, no steak tonight.

Cauliflower cheese, cauli came from lincs
Cheese came from Lancashire.
Milk came from Arla to make the sauce.

Safer all round I reckon, well at least less contentious - unless you supply a n other dairy

If you think tracing the steak's hard have a go at the milk and cheese.

As for the steak I don't think they would give out individual farms information to the public so a vague answer is given hoping you'll go away.
You could keep pushing and take your request further up the chain, so to speak, you might get somewhere.

 

[Old Boar]

By chance I too had bought some sirloin steak from Aldi (because I am worth it!). Red Tractor mark. Slaughtered UK2241 (Wooley Bros, Sheffield) and Cut UK2241/WN076. I cannot find out what the WN means.
As Red Tractor is Farm to Fork, we should have full tracablity. That is what the RT farmers pay for. The fact that it is all loaded on the farmer and not the cutting and packing is worrying, as it means the use of Red Tractor logo is false advertising.
I will contact Aldi, but my email address is the name of the farm (with the word farm in it) so they may guess I am not the average town shopper. I am not RT registered though.
The more I hear about RT, it seems that every part is not working. Time for a change.