Who is REALLY paying for AG Subsidies???......... THE RICH

[Old McDonald]

Answer this question seriously, would you run down to your local shops and price everything just to prove a point on an internet forum???

I do not have local shops. The nearest one is more than 10 miles away. It was not just to prove a point on a forum. We are all interested in the comparison you made.

Cornish Tones told us in his post that he walked there so it was obviously no gret hardship for him. You have been plugging away how expensive food is there. He went to check. Maybe he was curious to see if it was as bad as you say. Obviously it is not.

 

[Bossfarmer]

I would. But I'd leave it till the morning and kill two birds with one stone, 7 miles is a bit far just for that.
You've still not apologised.

The fact he ran out between comments and did it is hard to believe however i will give him the benefit of the doubt and accept his response, i dont think it merits an apology and if you think it does i suggest you harden up a bit

 

[Bossfarmer]

I do not have local shops. The nearest one is more than 10 miles away. It was not just to prove a point on a forum. We are all interested in the comparison you made.

Cornish Tones told us in his post that he walked there so it was obviously no gret hardship for him. You have been plugging away how expensive food is there. He went to check. Maybe he was curious to see if it was as bad as you say. Obviously it is not.

And yet a very well respected scottish farmer did the same and compared prices with his daughter in NZ and found the opposite

 

[Bossfarmer]

Im sure there must be official statistics somewhere and if anyone can provide them to prove me wrong i will apologise

 

[Bossfarmer]

Again, How do you think subsidies lower food prices in shops?

It means farmers can sell produce at a lower price to supermarkets and remain in business

 

[texel-tom]

I sincerely hope that the people who are in a position to influence govement and ensure the continuation of subsides in some form are doing a better job than you bossfarmer.

You've done a first class job of alienating what should a fairly sympathetic audience.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Oh my god! You don't get subsidies, they tax your food and there's 56 million less of you paying tax... How do you manage to survive!

You anywhere near Twizel?

We are the other side of Dunedin. Just on the outskirts of Owaka which is right on the coast. Survival is easy, much more than that is a struggle though. You certainly don't just sit on the dole for 10 years and then go put a deposit on a house, put it that way. But the range rover dealers, it's tough for them [emoji6]

 

[Agrispeed]

It means farmers can sell produce at a lower price to supermarkets and remain in business

But we trade mostly on world prices.

What about the fact that a great proportion of cheap food isn't British? NZ Lamb etc

 

[Bossfarmer]

But we trade mostly on world prices.

What about the fact that a great proportion of cheap food isn't British? NZ Lamb etc

The fact the brittish produce is there to compete with the NZ lamb ensures a lower price for the consumer, alsothe world market is driven by subsidies the chinese wouldnt be growing grain on a lot of their land if the government hadnt ramped up subs for it

 

[davieh3350]

We are the other side of Dunedin. Just on the outskirts of Owaka which is right on the coast. Survival is easy, much more than that is a struggle though. You certainly don't just sit on the dole for 10 years and then go put a deposit on a house, put it that way. But the range rover dealers, it's tough for them [emoji6]

I never made it down that side, a week hunting on lake poteriteri (think it's something like that)
You don't whinge and moan the same as us down there though, so surviving can't be too bad.

 

[Henarar]

But we trade mostly on world prices.

What about the fact that a great proportion of cheap food isn't British? NZ Lamb etc

what sets world prices ?
is the UK the only county to get farm subs ?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I never made it down that side, a week hunting on lake poteriteri (think it's something like that)
You don't whinge and moan the same as us down there though, so surviving can't be too bad.

We moan alright!! Just nobody gives a toss, unless it affects them directly

 

[davieh3350]

The fact the brittish produce is there to compete with the NZ lamb ensures a lower price for the consumer, alsothe world market is driven by subsidies the chinese wouldnt be growing grain on a lot of their land if the government hadnt ramped up subs for it

And you've told the supermarkets how much you want for you're produce have you. Is that why it's the price it is in the supermarkets?
I doubt it, the price in the supermarkets will be set by what they can get out of the shoppers, not because you want x for it.

 

[Bossfarmer]

And you've told the supermarkets how much you want for you're produce have you. Is that why it's the price it is in the supermarkets?
I doubt it, the price in the supermarkets will be set by what they can get out of the shoppers, not because you want x for it.

Do you not think the supermarket is a business and needs to make a certain margin on each product?lower price from the farmers due to subs means it doesnt need to import more expensive produce from elsewhere such as beef from ireland at the moment with the weak £

 

[Osca]

It means farmers can sell produce at a lower price to supermarkets and remain in business

Some farmers. It also means that others go out of business as an unfair advantage is handed to those who already possess most land. Meanwhile the supermarkets stick - well, in my experience a 400% mark-up on what they buy - don't know how that compares across all commodities - and those paying your subsidy, bossfarmer, have to pay that mark-up as well.

 

[davieh3350]

Do you not think the supermarket is a business and needs to make a certain margin on each product?lower price from the farmers due to subs means it doesnt need to import more expensive produce from elsewhere such as beef from ireland at the moment with the weak £

Do you set out to provide the supermarkets with as cheap a produce as you can?

 

[brigadoon]

The fact the brittish produce is there to compete with the NZ lamb ensures a lower price for the consumer, alsothe world market is driven by subsidies the chinese wouldnt be growing grain on a lot of their land if the government hadnt ramped up subs for it

NZ lamb wholesales at a much lower price than Uk lamb. NZ competition is stricly limited by quota and tariff - as is Mercosur beef.

British produce is not lowering prices for the consumer against world prices.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Do you set out to provide the supermarkets with as cheap a produce as you can?

That's the same outside-in thinking Mr Rochdale uses [emoji23] [emoji6] [emoji106]

 

[davieh3350]

That's the same outside-in thinking Mr Rochdale uses [emoji23] [emoji6] [emoji106]

Going to have to show my ignorance now... Mr Rochdale?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Going to have to show my ignorance now... Mr Rochdale?

Check out the thread on tb we've been slugging it out on. Plenty of ludicrous thinking on there too.
Rough figures for producing a nz lamb, $75@140% lambing. Lambs going to works for about $90. I'm buying stores at around $70. Top stores going $90. That's why sheep farming is considered a hobby unless you have several thousand ewes on. And yet we can still compete, you just have to accept the being shafted by everyone between the farm gate and the table.