Who would miss it more.

[Greythundercloudys]

If the sub finishes in 2019, who would miss it more a small family farm getn 25000.or large scale man getn 150000. I was talking to a guy up hear in scotland and he was thinking 7 out of 10 farmers would be finished if it goes. Unless they have a wind turbine or wife works .

 

[Northeastfarmer]

I think everyone would miss it

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

If the sub finishes in 2019, who would miss it more a small family farm getn 25000.or large scale man getn 150000. I was talking to a guy up hear in scotland and he was thinking 7 out of 10 farmers would be finished if it goes. Unless they have a wind turbine or wife works .

Luckily it is not going to finish in 2019, however the answer to your question if it does happen one day is not black and white. All farms will suffer, however those with borrowings will be the worst affected followed by those that are tenants.

Diversification and location will also have major impacts on survival.
I don't believe the small people are any more vulnerable than the large ones.

Economies of scale will be very important in an unsubsidised world.

 

[Sonoftheheir]

Everyone would miss it, doesn’t matter how big or small you are.

 

[Greythundercloudys]

That's true

 

[Greythundercloudys]

A lot of farmers up hear are in there mid sixty, most are just working away for A few more years then retire or die. So there not to bothered. Most don't have any sons interested in the family farm, lm 44, but don't have a son, so l suppose lm just working away as well.

 

[hendrebc]

Ill stick my neck out and say big farms will miss it most.












Let the debate begin

 

[Warp Land Farmer]

I recon a landlord will miss it the most...

 

[hendrebc]

I recon a landlord will miss it the most...

Yes

 

[roscoe erf]

subway's

 

[Steevo]

The general public would miss the faming landscape they see now. Rolling green fields, wheat fields ready to harvest etc. Without farmers footpaths would be overgrown too.

The politicians would miss the ability to control what goes on.

Landlords would miss the higher rents.

Land agents would miss the additional fees, both in applications and rent reviews.

Would food be cheaper? No.

Would the public be better off? I doubt it.

Would “the environment” benefit? I doubt that too.


I’d like to see a more market orientated system than the existing setup....but it would need to be far more imaginative to provide a complete solution than just stopping payments.

 

[sherg]

Got a wind turbine and a wife that works but I'll miss it here if it goes it helps pay the mortgage

 

[Walterp]

If the sub finishes in 2019,

The H M Treasury letter issued on 12.08.16 guaranteed that the CAP subsidies will be underwritten up to and including 2020.

The rest of the OP is equally under-informed: aside from the now-obvious fact that farm support is set to continue, history already demonstrates that if it had been discontinued and if there had been Free Trade no-one would have been unaffected except, perhaps, the dairy sector.

Everyone else would have, eventually, gone out of business.

 

[Warp Land Farmer]

In reality everyone will miss it in the short term as income is income whatever path to the bank it comes in on....some will fold if it goes and isn't replaced, others may not notice it as much, I don't believe the relativity of it to the individual business is about farm or business scale, but about debt and cost of production.... medium to long term reaction? Who knows.

 

[CharcoalWally]

Why worry about something that is broadly speaking out of our control?

If it goes, it goes. You then have a choice then to either adapt or get out and go and do something else.

Regardless of what others might tell us, the World won't end. Hell, for all we know, subsidisation may not end - just go on in various forms of puzzling eco -jargon whilst not saving the planet.

 

[Nearly]

The ones currently getting £25k (me) would probably be eligible for £15k after I've sold off some bits away from home to reinvest in cottages. At £10k I'll almost be able to tell them to stuff it and carry on regardless.
They need to be careful how low the payments go before we custodians of the land decide that the coin isn't worth the price.
£40 an acre?

 

[ollie989898]

This kind of thread needs to be reorientated I feel. It is nearly Christmas, after all. Let the positivity flow eh?

It's not the question of who will give up/get out/sell up that we should be asking.

It is how will those who choose to carry on farm? What will they do and how will that differ to today?

Start with a blank canvas, and tell us what you will feel is profitable and how you would maximise it?

 

[Walterp]

They need to be careful how low the payments go before we custodians of the land decide that the coin isn't worth the price.
£40 an acre?

The average Welsh livestock farm runs to 350 acres, or £14,000 on your figures.

I appreciate that we are not arable farmers with 200 quid a pop wellingtons and a daily help for the wife, but to me £14,000 sounds pretty good.

The existing BPS is, for us, scheduled to fall to £19,000 in 2020. No one I know has suggested they were not going to claim it.

 

[Nearly]

My post was intended to illustrate that at some point it's not worth claiming the 'environmental payment'.
Where this point is depends on the nature of the business and the bloody mindedness of the farmer.

 

[fastfish]

Farmers will be the last to go they are resourceful and adaptive when backs are to the wall if they haven't got it they won't spend it so beware machinery dealers agents and all the other parasites that hang of our coat tails