- Location
- East yorks
Nope won't drop as the price of wheat is good
Will fert come down in price ?
- Thread starter valtraman
- Start date
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
What's the x axis? And how much is due to currency fluctuations vs. world energy prices?
I notice you've picked NG prices - does the graph for oil look much different? Agree that Fert is made from energy (Haber process), but I'm unclear if it's pegged to LNG, oil or something else - maybe hydro?
ollie989898
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They synthesise ammonia from natural gas, not oil, but obviously there is a lot of heat energy and pressure involved. X is time and Y is price in cents per mmBTU.
This is true yes but to what quantity and quality ? We had a neighbour who didn’t use fert for number of years and his fields stood out like a sore thumb , hungered poor doing crops and even poorer stock not thriving of the grass.
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
Mostly from air - I'd forgotten the hydrogen part comes from methane. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process
And thanks - had my x and y mixed up. Is the graph much different if it is in GBP ? I recall getting 2$/£ a few years ago, but didn't even get $1.3 last month. Curious if the main price rise is due to the exchange rate or the gas price. Actually, @Roger Perry - has the price of fert been getting more and more horrid these last few years?
icanshootwell
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- Location
- Ross-on-wye
Don,t believe every thing that woman sais, I am also started to worry about Gove and his U turns.Sterling might bounce back (and some) next Tuesday, making imported product much cheaper. A lady called Teresa told me it was a distinct possibility.....
Test your ground , guessing is a mugs game .
Northeastfarmer
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- Location
- Cleveland
It will but a lot slower and less of it
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
That depends on the grass, and whether there is any clover present. On my old parkland pp I generally only put a small dose of N (25kg N/Ha) on in March, to boost early growth, then the same in the Autumn to extend the season a bit. I’m limited to that total by Glastir, but wouldn’t put more on there anyway.
This Spring, I ran out halfway across the last field, so left it as a trial. I expected to see a distinct line, but there was no difference whatsoever. There’s a bit of clover there, but not a lot, and certainly not enough to contribute much N. It is just unresponsive old shite grass.
The story is very different on decent ryegrass leys of course, which produce every bit as much on low inputs, but many times more when fed well.
- Location
- East Sussex
21.8.12 pretty much covers what you remove when at the right dose if I remember.
livestock 1
Member
Are those designed for second cut?
We have bought a lot of 21/8/11 yara in the past which yara said was on offer but was supposed to be for second cut they said
Bought new 52 off them last spring with sulphur
Mind you by the time we get our sheep out of the fields in the spring it is second cut anyway
No mainly used for first cuts . Think the 27.6.6 be better with more nitrogen
livestock 1
Member
Most folks round about here use carrs/bunns/origin 20/10/10 blend usually a fair bit cheaper than yara my rep always calls the new 52 second cut I don’t know why that is I always thought it was due to out late land
I had some poorer land tested by an agronomist and put 17/17/17 on his advice it didn’t half shift it on
ollie989898
Member
All of you need to be soil testing rotationally and finding out if you really need this additional P and K not just buying it because you always have. A LOT of farmers I worked with never needed to buy in any additional P and K, and so were buying N and S instead and making huge savings.
livestock 1
Member
That’s what I was trying to say politely
livestock 1
Member
Less than putting the wrong stuff on for ten years in my experience
davidroberts30
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- Location
- pembrokeshire
20 quid per field(10 acre)
Do 1/5 now and rotate it round ever year