Will No till put paid to the plough ? asks a piece in the FT.

[mixedfmr]

What rubbish does a grassland farmer have to burry

its under the sward ..... waiting

 

[Bury the Trash]

remove glyphosate, and you completely alter the debate.

I don't think it will be banned.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

its under the sward ..... waiting

The art is you open it out so you can seed into it, just one operation
The other
Raise the soil up and all the weed seed that's been sleeping like an octopus for years waiting.
Blast it to a pulp to form a seedbed
Spend a week picking stones. Note all the staff will disappear at this point as picking stones is like siting In a bog of nettles with a bare arse to them
Roll it twice to hopefully get it firm as any moisture left in the soil is disappearing in front of your eyes ......
I'm tired ,is it time for bed

 

[Kevtherev]

What rubbish does a grassland farmer have to burry

Bicycle riders??

 

[Kevtherev]

Will no-till farming put paid to the plough?

The claimed benefits for minimising soil disturbance come with significant downsides

www.ft.com

we havnt had a good ploughing vrs DD dust up for awhile it all seems dominated by the politics of rt nfu et al

They both have their place and the plough will remain just like it has for hundreds of years in one shape or form.

 

[mixedfmr]

Tried DD her , JD, NO GO!!! Not on this soil

Spring barley 2.25tn/acre. Pre cultivated 3.25+ tn/acre same JD drill

Maybe tine instead of disc? but sold barley for £250. £186 diff and contractor to pay
Ploughing at 15L/Hectare approx£5/acre pluswear me and tractor to get the best start
Thats the best start here

 

[copse]

Not on heavy land it won’t.

 

[Woody j]

a few around here who used a Clayton this year are going to have replant 90% in the spring (didn’t grow) , anyone who ploughed and one passed would have between 90 and 100% established. for the plough

 

[Kiwi Pete]

.."pernicious weeds, like grasses"

Lol

 

[lloyd]

This year speaking to various people slugs have been a nightmare
where slugs have travelled up the channels made by some of these drills.
Is it environmentally friendly to use excessive slug pellets?
From my experience glyphosphate use is far higher than ploughing too.

 

[som farmer]

I don't think it will be banned.

l hope it isn't, but there's plenty that do, and with court cases being lost, in the USA, l will be surprised, and pleased, if it isn't.

 

[Bury the Trash]

.."pernicious weeds, like grasses"

Lol

meant in an arable context.

 

[T Hectares]

Will no-till farming put paid to the plough?

The claimed benefits for minimising soil disturbance come with significant downsides

www.ft.com

we havnt had a good ploughing vrs DD dust up for awhile it all seems dominated by the politics of rt nfu et al

A perfectly typical balanced mainstream media article

2 organic farmers and a ploughing champion

Represent everyone apart from a farmer who’s No-tilling successfully

 

[Woody j]

This year speaking to various people slugs have been a nightmare
where slugs have travelled up the channels made by some of these drills.
Is it environmentally friendly do use excessive slug pellets?
From my experience glyphosphate use is far higher than ploughing too.

One of the problems here was water travelling up the channels and rotting the seed

 

[FarmerBruce]

a few around here who used a Clayton this year are going to have replant 90% in the spring (didn’t grow) , anyone who ploughed and one passed would have between 90 and 100% established. for the plough

Just the same round here too

 

[lloyd]

One of the problems here was water travelling up the channels and rotting the seed

If you've got easy working,free draining ,brashy soil then direct looks a no brainer .
The question is how much of the UK falls into this category.

 

[Woody j]

If you've got easy working,free draining ,brashy soil then direct looks a no brainer .
The question is how much of the UK falls into this category.

0% falls into that category in n.ireland therefore the plough is our only option imo

 

[Old apprentice]

One of the problems here was water travelling up the channels and rotting the seed

Just the same round here too

Just the same round here

Just like to ask a question would a Groton drill help in these situations I think warksfarmers on heavy soil.

 

[neilo]

This year speaking to various people slugs have been a nightmare
where slugs have travelled up the channels made by some of these drills.
Is it environmentally friendly to use excessive slug pellets?
From my experience glyphosphate use is far higher than ploughing too.

To be fair, slugs have been a problem on a lot of ploughed ground this Autumn too. I’ve also seen vast acreages of cereals that are completely fooked, on farms that religiously plough & ph, because ‘they always have’.

As for glyphosate usage, plenty are using just as much in plough based systems. Whether they need to is a different matter, but plenty being used nonetheless.

My winter barley looks ok, considering. I haven’t had a plough on the farm in years, but it was cultivating prior to a neighbour drilling it with a combi-drill. I would have fared a lot worse if I had DD’ed as usual imo.
It did still need a dose of slug pellets though, so stands me quite a few quid extra in costs already…

 

[lloyd]

To be fair, slugs have been a problem on a lot of ploughed ground this Autumn too. I’ve also seen vast acreages of cereals that are completely fooked, on farms that religiously plough & ph, because ‘they always have’.

As for glyphosate usage, plenty are using just as much in plough based systems. Whether they need to is a different matter, but plenty being used nonetheless.

My winter barley looks ok, considering. I haven’t had a plough on the farm in years, but it was cultivating prior to a neighbour drilling it with a combi-drill. I would have fared a lot worse if I had DD’ed as usual imo.
It did still need a dose of slug pellets though, so stands me quite a few quid extra in costs already…

I min till/ph drill instead of ploughing on a block of light/medium but it is far removed
from dd but I accept your points that no system is perfect but that is also the very point.