Will your kids take over.

[Hilly]

Yeah I served my time on a big outfit in the north east, there was a gang of us and good crack at bait times, nobody employed now, a lot of it carved up and rented off, landlords creaming off all the payments that were ment to support these rural communities.

One here used to have 18 men , one now and he’s over worked under paid and miserable .

 

[Spud]

Boils my pee all the money is in arable and veg , they have easy land to farm easy job , livestock men have hard land and hard work and kept down like pesants .

If it's that bad, change it. it's not all sunshine & roses in any sector

 

[hally]

One here used to have 18 men , one now and he’s over worked under paid and miserable .

Bound to be unless he is superman, bet his landlord is lifting a 6 figure sum from the tax payer though.

 

[hally]

If it's that bad, change it. it's not all sunshine & roses in any sector

A lot of lowland arable farms to rent at commercial money around you ?

 

[GeorgeK]

I think the financial side needs explaining to interested children or they will always believe you're making a fortune but too tight to spend it. Only when they are responsible for the accounts do they realise the bottomless money pit never existed and by then it's too late

 

[Hilly]

Bound to be unless he is superman, bet his landlord is lifting a 6 figure sum from the tax payer though.

He’s employee / has title of manager

 

[hally]

He’s employee / has title of manager

Manager/ mechanic/stocks man/ sh*t shovellor/ gofor/maintenance , those guys if any good should be on 5 wages

 

[Hilly]

I think the financial side needs explaining to interested children or they will always believe you're making a fortune but too tight to spend it. Only when they are responsible for the accounts do they realise the bottomless money pit never existed and by then it's too late

Mine learned to do my book keeping before he was 13 and is now training to be an accountant , my late father was friendly with a very successful livestock farmer years ago , we went to visit one day and he was sitting at the table watching over his 16 year old son doing the VAT , my father says he’s young for doing that , farmer said well he grew up outside and knows all that already and this is the most important bit , you can have have best stock in world but if the book works wrong waste o time , stuck with me for ever that ! First thing my kids learned , book work accounts .

 

[Hilly]

Manager/ mechanic/stocks man/ sh*t shovellor/ gofor/maintenance , those guys if any good should be on 5 wages

Place is that big he will just be a phone/ computer jockey , no stock / loads of contractors .

 

[Chae1]

I'll be honest now and say my daddy working 100hr weeks on the farm to build it up for us, with the best of intents, is probably what most put me off doing it.

If the only time you see your father while growing up is seeing him asleep in the chair; dragging you to the seaside as it pisses it down all summer; or when he takes you to market to sell stock for cashflow to get through to harvest, then don't be surprised if you child thinks "sod this for lark".

My father was the same. Worked all hours to build up the business that we now work in and benefit from.

I don't want to have the same relationship with my children as I have with my father.

 

[Chae1]

Boils my pee all the money is in arable and veg , they have easy land to farm easy job , livestock men have hard land and hard work and kept down like pesants .

Rubbish. I wouldn't want to be veg farming or all arable. The amount of capital tied up in growing crops, labour harvesting it. Tight spec and loopholes you have to jump through to supply supermarkets. Not to mention weather destroying it.

We're small scale arable too and I would say cows pay better.

 

[Hilly]

My father was the same. Worked all hours to build up the business that we now work in and benefit from.

I don't want to have the same relationship with my children as I have with my father.

Mine did also but I was at his side all my life not just farming either, he used to be a cabinet maker and had factory but I used to go and sweep sawdust and sort nails out when at primary school , he did nothing but work from 13 years until he was 87 the last day he came out on the farm he had bad hip bad heal dementure and got upset Cos he couldn’t join in with the work and kept saying I wish I could help you , I just said dosent matter you have done more than enough but he went back to his house with a tear in his eye as he was unable to work , but wasn’t work for him or me really it’s just fun stuff apart from the shyt outside forces inflict upon us that bit is work !

 

[Hilly]

Rubbish. I wouldn't want to be veg farming or all arable. The amount of capital tied up in growing crops, labour harvesting it. Tight spec and loopholes you have to jump through to supply supermarkets. Not to mention weather destroying it.

We're small scale arable too and I would say cows pay better.

Ha ha if you say so , that why everyone constantly tells me we hill men are first down the shitter that’s why they pay 4 times money an acre to arable than they do to hill farm like mine , I’ve more invested in cattle and sheep than I would need to grow barley and wheat for sure but the barley Barton gets 4 times the payment !! Why ?

 

[Hilly]

Good pall has same amount of cows as me and 500 acre arable he’s always says he only keeps cows because he was brought up
With them , arable profits make cows look stupid arable workload makes cows look like slavery , his words not mine and he’s no bull shitter .

 

[Hilly]

Rubbish. I wouldn't want to be veg farming or all arable. The amount of capital tied up in growing crops, labour harvesting it. Tight spec and loopholes you have to jump through to supply supermarkets. Not to mention weather destroying it.

We're small scale arable too and I would say cows pay better.

Go online and have a look at some of the veg growers accounts , how many beef farms accounts make it that far id doubt their would be one official stat in agg anywhere putting beef anywhere near arable veg , a frigging hill yows are paying better than sucklers now ffs .

 

[Hilly]

People go out for beef or lamb or pork they don’t go out for a plate o fuking potatoes do they .

 

[Chae1]

Good pall has same amount of cows as me and 500 acre arable he’s always says he only keeps cows because he was brought up
With them , arable profits make cows look stupid arable workload makes cows look like slavery , his words not mine and he’s no bull shitter .

The 2 work well together. We have a similar acreage. Straw for livestock, muck for arable. If barley poor prices just keep it and put it through cattle. Share labour at busy times.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Seems you are in the wrong occupation !!
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Do you think?

Boils my pee all the money is in arable and veg , they have easy land to farm easy job , livestock men have hard land and hard work and kept down like pesants .

You livestock boys have the stronger balance sheet though

 

[D14]

Growing up it was always my intention to farm. I was lucky enough to be able to have the chance to farm in my own from my early twenties. Started on a rented farm that the landlord was an aunt. It was almost expected of me to farm and follow countless generations before me. I’d truly love to say that my kids will farm too but in all reality I can’t see it. I have girls. I know it’s not un heard of but here in Canada the un spoken expectation that the kids will follow in the fathers footsteps is all but non existence. Some actively discourage their kids because they see a better life away from the farm. Every situation is different and kids are all different but how many can honestly say the farm is done once they are either retired or pushing up the Daisy’s

Cant see my two wanting to take over to be honest as they show very little interest. Still young enough to change their minds at 12 and 8 but I think back to how I was and then look at friends children today. If they are interested you can tell at a very early age by simple things like toy tractors etc and they want to be out with the parent doing stuff, sitting on tractors etc. My two literally have zero interest, even though the business is very diversified and isn't just farming and no livestock and I pretty much only work a 30 hour week on average. I'll sit tight until the youngest has finished studying whatever he ends up studying and then at that point if there is no interest still I will sell up I think and then they'll have money to invest into whatever it is they want to do. I'm certainly not going to force them and the best I can see at this stage happening is that they do their own thing but keep this business going probably using a contractor for the arable and put a manager in for the other things. That would provide them both with a very good annual income before taking into account whatever they earn from their own chosen profession. Its whether they want the hassle of overseeing it.

 

[D14]

Boils my pee all the money is in arable and veg , they have easy land to farm easy job , livestock men have hard land and hard work and kept down like pesants .

Dont do it then.