Winter Wheat after Winter barley

[westwood]

With not growing WOSR any more could I sow a very cheap green cover after harvesting the winter barley and then sow winter wheat in october.

Would this act as a mini break crop?

Thoughts please

 

[tr250]

With not growing WOSR any more could I sow a very cheap green cover after harvesting the winter barley and then sow winter wheat in october.

Would this act as a mini break crop?

Thoughts please

Personally wouldn’t but you may get away with it depending on back cropping. Cover crop spring wheat would work in my opinion

 

[deleted user 837354]

I've grown wheat back to back before fine, but there is a take-all risk and I doubt this would be diminished much by a cover crop between two cereal crops. Choosing the right variety, weather conditions and general soil health/fertility are big factors in my view.

 

[Clive]

With not growing WOSR any more could I sow a very cheap green cover after harvesting the winter barley and then sow winter wheat in october.

Would this act as a mini break crop?

Thoughts please

yes and yes


Remember you are harvesting sunlight and water - would you turn off a solar panel in August and September ? long day length and high rainfall these are the 2 most productive months of the year

 

[teslacoils]

I'd not bother. Use the time blacking it over and levelling it out. Then sit back, light pipe, and drill wheat.

 

[Cowcorn]

Thats my plan for some of my land currently under spring barley. But i wont be bothering with cover crops as it will be late August before barley is harvested
I will probably use latitude seed dressing as a help against take all maybe you should consider using same ? Might be a better use of money than a cover crop ?

 

[Brisel]

With not growing WOSR any more could I sow a very cheap green cover after harvesting the winter barley and then sow winter wheat in october.

Would this act as a mini break crop?

Thoughts please

How many cereals would that make the wheat after the winter barley? 3rd and 4th cereals are the most susceptible to take all. A cover crop for a couple of months will not break the cycle and the barley volunteers will act as a green bridge. The cover crop will be useful as a carbon, worm food and solar power collector though.

 

[oil barron]

How many cereals would that make the wheat after the winter barley? 3rd and 4th cereals are the most susceptible to take all. A cover crop for a couple of months will not break the cycle and the barley volunteers will act as a green bridge. The cover crop will be useful as a carbon, worm food and solar power collector though.

What do they convert the solar power into?

 

[Jolly]

Having decided not to grow OSR for the next few years was thinking maybe mustard then spring wheat
Any thoughts welcome

 

[willy]

What we really need to understand is how long do we need to break the take all cycle?

 

[Farmer-George]

With not growing WOSR any more could I sow a very cheap green cover after harvesting the winter barley and then sow winter wheat in october.

Would this act as a mini break crop?

Thoughts please

How about putting in a cover crop and then drilling winter linseed? Winter linseed can be drilled first week October depending on your geographical location. We’re heavy on break crops with our rotation but I’d be keen to have a look at it and drop peas or beans.

There is ok chemistry for black grass too. Similar harvesting window to OSR which we miss in our rotation currently, would be nice to get some early cash flow in the season.

 

[An Gof]

With not growing WOSR any more could I sow a very cheap green cover after harvesting the winter barley and then sow winter wheat in october.

Would this act as a mini break crop?

Thoughts please

I gave up growing winter barley after winter wheat because of take all. I changed my rotation and added 1/2t/acre to my winter barley yields. On this farm in this area you would be ill advised to try and grow winter wheat following a crop of winter barley.

 

[Brisel]

What do they convert the solar power into?

Biomass

 

[ajd132]

yes and yes


Remember you are harvesting sunlight and water - would you turn off a solar panel in August and September ? long day length and high rainfall these are the 2 most productive months of the year

I am not letting any land sit bare this year. Harvest those free resources!

 

[yellow belly]

What we really need to understand is how long do we need to break the take all cycle?

When we had set aside sprayed off in May some years the following wheat had takeall strips associated with the volunteers in the straw trails
ideally a break of more than a year is more effective against takeall
heavier tighter soil needs less than light puffy organicey soil
On my heavier land the worst is second wheat after a 1 year. break that followed 2 years wheat after permanent grass
hard to get it tight and firm enough ie 5 year after permanent Long term grass
in this cas the first 2 cereals after grass often suffer from wire worm and leather jackets
that is why the Victorian farmer had permenant grass on some fields and permanent arable on others

 

[Flat 10]

I gave up growing winter barley after winter wheat because of take all. I changed my rotation and added 1/2t/acre to my winter barley yields. On this farm in this area you would be ill advised to try and grow winter wheat following a crop of winter barley.

First barley? Or elsewhere in rotation? All my WB is second cereal either after WW or SB, and yields much better than my second WW.

 

[Flat 10]

Thats my plan for some of my land currently under spring barley. But i wont be bothering with cover crops as it will be late August before barley is harvested
I will probably use latitude seed dressing as a help against take all maybe you should consider using same ? Might be a better use of money than a cover crop ?

You can get half decent WW yields after a first spring barley as takeall doesn't build up much. Depends if your barley is a first or later cereal.

 

[Brisel]

What we really need to understand is how long do we need to break the take all cycle?

The fungus is most active in late spring/summer. I'm going to phone a friend on this. Two, to be exact.

@Fromebridge @Woodlander

 

[Gong Farmer]

What we really need to understand is how long do we need to break the take all cycle?

A year? Can't see it happening in a couple of months.

 

[Chae1]

yes and yes


Remember you are harvesting sunlight and water - would you turn off a solar panel in August and September ? long day length and high rainfall these are the 2 most productive months of the year

What would you suggest would be a good cover crop for 2 months?