WMN: Richard Haddock: Big store price wars leave beef farmers facing a catastrophe

[Gilchro]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobil...ng-slaughter-stage-is-set-to-tighten.24243705

 

[le bon paysan]

Absolute crap. The french are anal about red tape. They may protest a bit more loudly but still abide by the rules. Go to any continental supermarket look at the beef and you will see a number. In the cabinet somewhere reachable is a sheet that cross references that number to give details of animal such as parents, farmer, breed, abbatoir, DOB, DOS, carcass weight and conformation. Hmm not much of that at Sainsburys. Talk about tracability.

Some time ago I went out for a meal with some pals, Seedsman Staines was one of them, he farms down the road from that restaurant. it was a real kick to see the Beef being served that night was his. Ear tag no. abbatoir all the details with his name and address as well. Good Beef too.

 

[mikep]

at last so you agree that traceability is not very good with all the food scandals in the last year it just goes to show that you can't believe all thats printed or not on a packet ann to trust all that you read is a fools errand the traceability that you hold so dear is only as good as the people in the chain and you're placing your trust on their honesty

No not agreeing just thinking that most of the UK farmers are happy to produce what they want and not try to go the extra mile. In the UK the farming lobby screamed blue murder at the thought of a full system such as France has. If we had tracability of the standard of the French it would be much harder to substitute horse meat. We got lots did the French have any?
Actually the horse meat scandal should have been a real wake up call because no one could tell the diffence between some knackered old dray that fell over in Bulgaria and prime British beef!!!

 

[topground]

Actually the horse meat scandal should have been a real wake up call because no one could tell the diffence between some knackered old dray that fell over in Bulgaria and prime British beef!!!

The horsemeat was found in meat products, lasagna and the like, hardly a home for prime British Beef!
The wake up call should have that the Supermarkets, who know the costs of production of all of their suppliers, did not choose to question how their own brand products could be produced at the price with the stated content, given the market price of genuine manufacturing beef at the time.

 

[gone up the hill]

No not agreeing just thinking that most of the UK farmers are happy to produce what they want and not try to go the extra mile. In the UK the farming lobby screamed blue murder at the thought of a full system such as France has. If we had tracability of the standard of the French it would be much harder to substitute horse meat. We got lots did the French have any?
Actually the horse meat scandal should have been a real wake up call because no one could tell the diffence between some knackered old dray that fell over in Bulgaria and prime British beef!!!

Surely on farm the UK is doing all the paperwork needed to operate the system that the French do after the farm gate?? as many people suspect ( quite rightly ) that eastern European beef that doesn't meet UK farm assurance standards but yet is imported in NI the sent to the UK mainland as Irish farm assured beef then hence jointed in a UK British cutting room so it then can be sold as British farm assured beef under the red tractor logo what can be done realistically in Britain about tracability when nearly everyone in the food chain ( except farmers ) are supporting the above??

 

[mikep]

Surely on farm the UK is doing all the paperwork needed to operate the system that the French do after the farm gate?? as many people suspect ( quite rightly ) that eastern European beef that doesn't meet UK farm assurance standards but yet is imported in NI the sent to the UK mainland as Irish farm assured beef then hence jointed in a UK British cutting room so it then can be sold as British farm assured beef under the red tractor logo what can be done realistically in Britain about tracability when nearly everyone in the food chain ( except farmers ) are supporting the above??

If it had to have the point of sale details surely it would be a lot more difficult for the fraudsters to get away with it. If the Irish buy in the beef then launder it the paperwork for the forward sales would be alot more difficult to manufacture as each link down to the customer has to be conned not just the wholesaler who probably doesnt look to hard.

 

[mikep]

The horsemeat was found in meat products, lasagna and the like, hardly a home for prime British Beef!
The wake up call should have that the Supermarkets, who know the costs of production of all of their suppliers, did not choose to question how their own brand products could be produced at the price with the stated content, given the market price of genuine manufacturing beef at the time.

A carcass is only worth what you can get for the fores. I would assume prime British beef fores would be used in a lot of these dishes?