WTF FW !

[Vader]

Game Changers: Janet Hughes, the civil servant - Farmers Weekly

Janet Hughes, Defra's director of farming and countryside, has been nominated for our special Game Changers Award, which will be announced at the Farmers

www.fwi.co.uk

That's me cancelling FW I restarted.
Putting up for an award the person who overseen the biggest cock-up in farming in years...

'Here you go have an award for putting loads of farmers business at risk, especially livestock farmers '

Who the F nominated her?

 

[le bon paysan]

Game Changers: Janet Hughes, the civil servant - Farmers Weekly

Janet Hughes, Defra's director of farming and countryside, has been nominated for our special Game Changers Award, which will be announced at the Farmers

www.fwi.co.uk

That's me cancelling FW I restarted.
Putting up for an award the person who overseen the biggest cock-up in farming in years...

'Here you go have an award for putting loads of farmers business at risk, especially livestock farmers '

Who the F nominated her?

Clive?

 

[HatsOff]

SFI is in a lot better state now than when it was in pilot.

For the overarching issues around impact on food production we should look at the Ministers in charge rather than the civil servants delivering the policy.

 

[Still Farming]

Worlds gone mad

 

[Vader]

SFI is in a lot better state now than when it was in pilot.

For the overarching issues around impact on food production we should look at the Ministers in charge rather than the civil servants delivering the policy.

So you think she deserves an award ?

 

[Clive]

SFI is in a lot better state now than when it was in pilot.

For the overarching issues around impact on food production we should look at the Ministers in charge rather than the civil servants delivering the policy.

^ this is the truth

 

[Pilatus]

SFI is in a lot better state now than when it was in pilot.

For the overarching issues around impact on food production we should look at the Ministers in charge rather than the civil servants delivering the policy.

I would have thought Ministers are the spokes person for the advisory panels etc that suggest which way Agricultural Policy of the Country should go. The civil servants think up the schemes , not the Ministers of “Silly Walks”, yes or no?

 

[John1975]

Credit to her for talking to farmers as i think she gets it. The woke left leaning civil servants have spoilt things.

 

[Hampton]

I would have thought Ministers are the spokes person for the advisory panels etc that suggest which way Agricultural Policy of the Country should go. The civil servants think up the schemes , not the Ministers of “Silly Walks”, yes or no?

Ok, so the way it works is thus:
The minister will say “I want a new policy, public money for public goods, sort it out”
The civil servants will then come up with the scheme within that framework.
The minister might look at it and say “hang on, isn’t meat causing global warming, take that out” and the civil servants will.
It is why it is vital to influence the minister.
Nfu were on the SFI steering group, but the grassland but is rubbish because they didn’t push the cattle are the answer narrative hard enough at the time to Gove it whoever was in charge.
It was my main gripe with Guy Smith.
At the Nfu conference 5 or 6 years ago, he introduced Myles Allen who spoke about cattle emissions being calculated and accounted for incorrectly. Nfu we’re reeling from Joseph Poores report.
I asked Guy why we weren’t promoting Myles as this was massive for livestock farming.
Guys reply? “We don’t want to get into ‘my scientist is better than yours tittle tattle’

A) Myles was Joseph Poores boss!
B) proving and disproving peoples science is exactly what science is about!!

 

[Hampton]

Credit to her for talking to farmers as i think she gets it. The woke left leaning civil servants have spoilt things.

She is a woke left wing civil servant, what are you talking about?

 

[Vader]

^ this is the truth

Oh so because it's a bit better than the mess than it started then she needs a reward?
Should have been sacked when it came out how bad it was with the poor uptake ar the start.
Only got numbers signing up when they put in options paying better than farming it and then over did it and had to change again.
The whole thing has and still is a mess.
She should have at least said that bps needed to continue while the mess is sorted.
1000s of farmers have lost a lot of money as locked out of the schemes due to bad design and bad management and some idiot recommended her for an award !!

 

[Hindsight]

In the last few days I have visited a few farms. One where all 140 hectares of arable land is under AHL2 bird cover. And another where they are struggling their guts to get potatoes harvested. Both are losing BPS at same rate. I pondered that.

 

[Vader]

Credit to her for talking to farmers as i think she gets it. The woke left leaning civil servants have spoilt things.

Really...?
She engaged on here and was told it would not work how it was designed by many people.
She ignored them.
Stopped engaging on here and rolled it out and then found out it did not work.
She listened to the charity's and regen lot not the bulk of farmers.
Nothing go to with woke civil servants, buck stops with her as she ignored farmers advice it was a mess.

 

[robs1]

In the last few days I have visited a few farms. One where all 140 hectares of arable land is under AHL2 bird cover. And another where they are struggling their guts to get potatoes harvested. Both are losing BPS at same rate. I pondered that.

It's bonkers to allow that much to grow bird cover there simply aren't the birds to eat it, will help the rat population no doubt, we have put a few bits in spread round our small area which hopefully will help our birds, can't blame farms for taking up the payments if they are there but that amount in one area will only increase the likelihood of the scheme being curtailed, as usual it was designed and brought in by people with little actual knowledge, perhaps a percentage of each field, and smaller than currently allowed would be better

 

[warksfarmer]

Really...?
She engaged on here and was told it would not work how it was designed by many people.
She ignored them.
Stopped engaging on here and rolled it out and then found out it did not work.
She listened to the charity's and regen lot not the bulk of farmers.
Nothing go to with woke civil servants, buck stops with her as she ignored farmers advice it was a mess.

This .

Its a bigger mess now than the original pilot 3 yrs ago. A much bigger mess in fact.

 

[yellow belly]

It's bonkers to allow that much to grow bird cover there simply aren't the birds to eat it, will help the rat population no doubt, we have put a few bits in spread round our small area which hopefully will help our birds, can't blame farms for taking up the payments if they are there but that amount in one area will only increase the likelihood of the scheme being curtailed, as usual it was designed and brought in by people with little actual knowledge, perhaps a percentage of each field, and smaller than currently allowed would be better

it is not allowed for new sfi
and should have been retrospectivly disallowed with a fast tract application for other actions to fill the land

 

[Vader]

It's bonkers to allow that much to grow bird cover there simply aren't the birds to eat it, will help the rat population no doubt, we have put a few bits in spread round our small area which hopefully will help our birds, can't blame farms for taking up the payments if they are there but that amount in one area will only increase the likelihood of the scheme being curtailed, as usual it was designed and brought in by people with little actual knowledge, perhaps a percentage of each field, and smaller than currently allowed would be better

Not %, just an area limit per block like it was in hls..
I have some 3-5 acre fields.
Perfect for nature as hedges round them as well.
A % of that would be to much hassle to bother.

 

[Henarar]

SFI is in a lot better state now than when it was in pilot.

For the overarching issues around impact on food production we should look at the Ministers in charge rather than the civil servants delivering the policy.

so you think the ministers should get an award ?

 

[Clive]

Oh so because it's a bit better than the mess than it started then she needs a reward?
Should have been sacked when it came out how bad it was with the poor uptake ar the start.
Only got numbers signing up when they put in options paying better than farming it and then over did it and had to change again.
The whole thing has and still is a mess.
She should have at least said that bps needed to continue while the mess is sorted.
1000s of farmers have lost a lot of money as locked out of the schemes due to bad design and bad management and some idiot recommended her for an award !!

look................. first off "awards" are not actulay a thing. - they are commercial exercises that have been invented by publishers like FW and FG to take money off sponsors and anyone with ego big enough to feel they need to be seen sat at a table there. The nominations are based on commercial agenda and winners selected based on future commercial opportunity (articles you can surround with ads from manufactures of the product they use etc). ............. I know this because I make a part of my living from this same Ag media industry and have been paid by them in the past to promote such events and the resulting PR / advertorial

so IMO NO ONE deserves any of these awards !!! they are no more than a thinly veiled advert and the winners are simply being "used" by ag media to make themself £'s

Re Janet and other DEFRA employees - they are in my experience a generally decent bunch of people trying to do the best they can for farmers . THEY don't set direction or policy, they just administer it, THE people you need to blame if that policy and direction is not what you like / want are the politicians - Janet / no other DEFRA employee can not make decisions like "BPS must continue" ........ thats for MP's so I suggest you blame / lobby them rather than just throw stones at people doing their jobs as instructed

I think those DEFRA employees who have engaged with farmers should be applauded ............ they engage and are more visible that the ag minister or any other MP's hiding behind them thats for sure !!!

I bet more farmers know Janet s name than the Ag minister ......... whose name even escapes me right now !!


I hear your frustrations BUT you are taking it out on the wrong people .

 

[Henarar]

the scheme is not to bad, what I can't understand is why SFI 23 [ours was up and running in days] went so well and yet they seem to have fecked it up for SFI 24 ?
having said that I haven't applied for SFI 24 yet as I know they are struggling to get it sorted and I thought I would leave them to concentrate on the poor hill farmers with 1000's of acres that need to replace the BPS with something