Yara says food crisis coming

[Yale]

Theres plenty land doing nothing

You have to ask why it is doing nothing.

Is it uneconomic or has the social and market structure of the area collapsed.

This is going to be the big issue as has been said many times before about offset tree planting decimating rural farms and communities.

 

[Treg]

I do wonder though, if a load of bread doubled in price, would anybody in the U.K. notice or experience real hardship because of it. The higher fert price could be “soaked up” by the retailers without too much of a problem, I’d imagine. Wheat at £300 a ton being the new normal. Carry on.

Oddly bread isn't going up, things that have rocketed in the last couple of weeks- crisps / squash / chocolate

 

[DrWazzock]

Oddly bread isn't going up, things that have rocketed in the last couple of weeks- crisps / squash / chocolate

There are a lot of opportunist price rises going on. We all know the raw materials are often a tiny fraction of the costs associated with these products. I’m certainly not crying myself to sleep over the poor retailers.

 

[teslacoils]

I look forward to the day UK families make the hard choice not to go to St Lucia for a fortnight, or have to cancel their sky plus TV and phone bundle to afford a chicken going up from £5 to £6.

 

[Cowabunga]

TBH I don't totally trust Adblue.

Had a vehicle buildup residue in the exhaust - looked like soap but was very brittle. Needed ethanol to remove it.

Regardless the article was blaming Ammonia combining to particles in cities - can't see how Cows bottoms are the polluter.

Maybe the article was yet another load of balls as more and more on this subject tend to be.

 

[ARW]

Global Wheat Supply Falls to Crisis Levels - Electroverse

Global Wheat Supply Falls to Crisis Levels: The wheat crop in several of the world's biggest exporters has taken a severe hit this year.

electroverse.net

I bored you all on another thread with this thought

global wheat consumption in 2020-2021 was 759 million tonnes
If fertiliser is too expensive to apply to crops we could be hypothetically 25% down on yield worldwide
So that’s only 189 millions tonnes short of last years consumption
This is famine territory
Imagine a global food shortage when we had the resources to grow enough food but the economy and governing bodies let it fail
If we run short there is no quick fix
Also if you read about Joseph Starling and Chairman Mau they created huge famines by selling the produce the people needed to eat, this happened not that fecking long ago yet we seem to have short memories

 

[ARW]

Argh I copied the wrong old article
This is a recent one

Wheat Supplies Are Shrinking and It’s Bad News for Bread Prices

Crop losses in two of the world’s biggest wheat exporters and quality concerns in a third have pushed prices to multiyear highs, adding to worries about food price inflation for millions of the world’s most vulnerable.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[ollie989898]

You wait and see, be one or two reruns of the Arab spring in 12 months or so. Interesting times.

 

[Llmmm]

The gas is still there though. It’s just more expensive. Maybe shopper and retailers will just have to suck it up. Fertiliser suppliers raise prices to cover costs of gas. Wheat price goes up to cover farmers costs. That’s how markets work. Bread doubles in price would easily cover it. Sorry Mr Tesco, that’s how it works.

Thats the way it should work but for years factories and retailers have been making a fortune out of us look at lamb prices.

 

[Cowabunga]

On N use, there are many ways to improve soil fertility, without it, or reduced use, we just have to relearn the basics, of a proper rotation, rather than simply rely on it, and, like it, or not, we will have to. Chemicals have allowed cheap food, the loss of them, will produce dearer food, from our point of view, what's the problem ?

'Proper rotation' requires regular cultivation though. Something that's to be avoided apparently. Certainly on my all grass farm, I have avoided it as much as possible over the years by maintaining grassland in good heart and managing the grass to last. This has become increasingly difficult over the last 25 years due to seed producers needing predominantly short to medium term varieties. 'Long term' seed mixtures seem now to not mean a possible 20 year sward life of sown varieties but 5 or 6 years before needing to reseed. I find that to be unacceptable whatever they try and claim are the advantages of their 'high sugar' new varieties. I can't afford and certainly do not wish to reseed 20% or even 5% of my grassland annually. It's a cost I wish to avoid and also a potential for soil erosion I certainly want to avoid. I can't let anything like that amount of land be out of production for eight weeks in nine years out of ten while the new seed establishes either.

 

[Cowabunga]

Uk Arable farms depended on human sewage till thry started pumping it out to sea 150yr ago, then they switched to south american guano, but after that ran out, arsble farming was abandoned about 1890.
Thats when tumble down farmland started, with a brief respite from 1916-21 when the wheat price was guaranteed by govt.
That was reinstated in 1932 as politicians woke up to reality
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Wasn't that decline mostly to do with the new ships and a government that allowed cheap imports from America to swamp UK markets unhindered at the time?

 

[glasshouse]

You wait and see, be one or two reruns of the Arab spring in 12 months or so. Interesting times.

What happens if its an “anglo spring”?

 

[wanton dwarf]

What happens if its an “anglo spring”?

Don't get those who push the "we are all the same" narrative going .. anyway. We're too much of a push over. Little fight left I fear.

 

[glasshouse]

Don't get those who push the "we are all the same" narrative going .. anyway. We're too much of a push over. Little fight left I fear.

Everyone changes when they are hungry

 

[No wot]

For those who are aghast - we need an alternative supply of Fertiliser and that will not come about unless Farming and Food is priced higher than mobile phones and cars - £500+/t is cheap.

How about treating sewage , that can be supplied by local water authorities and then spread by a network of local contractors on stubble in the late summer / Autumn, -‐‐‐ then agian that would be too simple wouldn't it , just wouldn't work

 

[4course]

I look forward to the day UK families make the hard choice not to go to St Lucia for a fortnight, or have to cancel their sky plus TV and phone bundle to afford a chicken going up from £5 to £6.

got some price increase to come round here

I look forward to the day UK families make the hard choice not to go to St Lucia for a fortnight, or have to cancel their sky plus TV and phone bundle to afford a chicken going up from £5 to £6.

could be a while yet been sent to shop by mrs 4 course as she is busy on the autumn/post harvest sowing time de dusting , carpet cleaning etc ( its hell here atm ), in sainsburys toight and now in our fridge a 1.6 kg whole chicken £3.50 a kingsmill sliced 50/50 £1.00 akg of carrots .30p

 

[Cowabunga]

How about treating sewage , that can be supplied by local water authorities and then spread by a network of local contractors on stubble in the late summer / Autumn, -‐‐‐ then agian that would be too simple wouldn't it , just wouldn't work

It really does need all the nasty chemicals, hormones, heavy metals and other contaminants removed far more thoroughly than currently to persuade me to contaminate my land with it.
Also they should be made to pay the farmer to dispose of it. Any farmer who takes it free or actually pays to have it spread is bonkers. They are desperate to get rid of this waste product. Same goes for effluent from biodigesters. That is industrial waste that they should pay farmers a fee to dispose of. Farmers are not charities. Or maybe they behave as if they are in reality but shouldn't be.

 

[davidroberts30]

How about treating sewage , that can be supplied by local water authorities and then spread by a network of local contractors on stubble in the late summer / Autumn, -‐‐‐ then agian that would be too simple wouldn't it , just wouldn't work

Save them pumping it into rivers or out to sea...

 

[som farmer]

I think £500 a tonne is not unreasonable in a world short of Wheat. We'll know that in the coming Spring.

For those who are aghast - we need an alternative supply of Fertiliser and that will not come about unless Farming and Food is priced higher than mobile phones and cars - £500+/t is cheap.

years ago, read an article, that compared roman wheat price, to now, the equation worked out at £2,000/ton, probably nearer £3,000 now. Also read, 70% of earnings, till earlyish 20th century, went on food, it's now 6% ?

 

[No wot]

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