YL Shares

[Robertsskippyj]

Evening gents,

I've just been able to pick up a pair of new old stock genuine YL44. I know what them the 42, 59, 61 and 62 are meant for.

But there are a pair of what are said to be genuine YL 52 on eBay. What were they used for? They have a vertical knife cast as part of the Share.

 

[arcobob]

They are YL 44 made for people who can`t use discs.

 

[John 1594]

They are YL 44 made for people who can`t use discs.

And they are bloody hard to pull as well

had some on an old 3f TS 59 we had years ago (sold it, always regretted it, then went and bought a 4f 59 thats pretty much identical)

Not good when your ploughing ditch brinks off and the twitch gets wrapped round the knife on the point, bloody awful in fact

Proper YL44s are the ones to have, although i quite like the look of YL 62s if it was tough land and you wanted something with a bit more lead on it

 

[Robertsskippyj]

Ahh I did wonder if that was what they were for as we had a 90's 3f Lemkin reversible which had them and that was a skimmers only plough. Just wondered if there was some odd reason for them.
Thanks.

 

[John 1594]

I should say they hark back to the days of horse ploughs, some of which didnt have discs

we had a lemken with the landslide mounted cutters, i always called them twitch catchers and usually cut them off with the gas bottles when they started blocking up

 

[Robertsskippyj]

I should say they hark back to the days of horse ploughs, some of which didnt have discs

we had a lemken with the landslide mounted cutters, i always called them twitch catchers and usually cut them off with the gas bottles when they started blocking up

I thought ours had them bolted to the furrow wall side of the Share but it could have been on the landslide. I was only about 10 the last time I saw it. Lol.

They were instead of the bolt on hanging down from the frame knives on horse-drawn ploughs then.
I always thought the 62 was a thinner steel version of the 42 for stony ground.

 

[John 1594]

62 is more like a fergy LEA share, a longer nose with a bit more lead, it wont clean the furrow bottom like a 44 will. I had a mixture of all sorts on my 59 when it arrived, some 44s, a 62 and a 56 i think

all on 44s now, held on with M6 countersunk allen head bolts as its a more secure method than wooden pegs

 

[Ley253]

62 is more like a fergy LEA share, a longer nose with a bit more lead, it wont clean the furrow bottom like a 44 will. I had a mixture of all sorts on my 59 when it arrived, some 44s, a 62 and a 56 i think

all on 44s now, held on with M6 countersunk allen head bolts as its a more secure method than wooden pegs

The security will improve no end as the heads wear away, usually just enough left to annoy you when you need to change a broken share.

 

[massey765]

62 is more like a fergy LEA share, a longer nose with a bit more lead, it wont clean the furrow bottom like a 44 will. I had a mixture of all sorts on my 59 when it arrived, some 44s, a 62 and a 56 i think

all on 44s now, held on with M6 countersunk allen head bolts as its a more secure method than wooden pegs

I use roll pins/tension pins

 

[John 1594]

The security will improve no end as the heads wear away, usually just enough left to annoy you when you need to change a broken share.

Which is why you drill the holes in the points out a bit to countersink the bolt

removal is simply a hammer and chisel job from underneath, a couple of good hits from a sharp chisel soon cuts through an M6 bolt

Its a safer method than relying on a bit of wood whats a quarter inch diameter, given how much these points now cost, ive got a 100 quid sat there, id rather it was secure.

 

[Ley253]

To be honest, I never lost one, and they were held on with bits of hedge! That was on a trailer plough, so not much room for the hammer and chisel. One no no was to reverse with the plough in the ground. Regarding the cost, farm sales can still be a gold mine. A four furrow on YL183s sold for three hundred pounds down here, and it had 12 new 44s in a box with it.

 

[Howard150]

Wooden pins have been good since 1834, why change now?
Unless you regularly back up with the plough in the ground
Not a lot of room under an RSLD for hammers and chisels

First picture is TS 81 handbook
Second is RSLD

 

[Fergie Ploughman]

I just use tapered metal pegs I make myself, I remove the front share every match and sometimes I use different shares. Never had a problem with pins coming out. For many years I also used wooden pegs. I saw some YL44's go on ebay for stupid money the other week.....unsure why. I've picked up genuines for a lot less, plus repro's work as well for less money...

 

[massey765]

I use the repro yl 44 off Arthur Jennings ...they are some sort of cast steel and are weldable

 

[John 1594]

Wooden pins have been good since 1834, why change now?
Unless you regularly back up with the plough in the ground
Not a lot of room under an RSLD for hammers and chisels

First picture is TS 81 handbook
Second is RSLD

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Because i like to see things bolted solid

knocking a bit of wood through a hole to hold an expensive point onto a frog is not how things are done down here

plus i had a box full of M6 countersunk allen bolts and its found a use for them

 

[Howard150]

Because i like to see things bolted solid

knocking a bit of wood through a hole to hold an expensive point onto a frog is not how things are done down here

plus i had a box full of M6 countersunk allen bolts and its found a use for them

Sounds as though you live in a time warp where there's lots of things 'not done down here' the one which springs immediately to mind being spraying with roundup. Bet your ground ploughs a treat!

 

[John 1594]

Sounds as though you live in a time warp where there's lots of things 'not done down here' the one which springs immediately to mind being spraying with roundup. Bet your ground ploughs a treat!

Well last time i looked i havent got any green ploughing,,,so why would i need to

i despise having to spray ploughed work anyway, last time we had a field what greened over because it was ploughed too early i just ploughed it again.

The sprayer is a summertime bit of machinery, ours hasnt done anything since august when i sprayed a couple of bits of newly rented land off

it wont come out of the shed again until april

It does plough a treat, providing you like to see heavy land ploughed

 

[Howard150]

Well last time i looked i havent got any green ploughing,,,so why would i need to

i despise having to spray ploughed work anyway, last time we had a field what greened over because it was ploughed too early i just ploughed it again.

The sprayer is a summertime bit of machinery, ours hasnt done anything since august when i sprayed a couple of bits of newly rented land off

it wont come out of the shed again until april

It does plough a treat, providing you like to see heavy land ploughed

Think my last post went over your head John. I was referring to the twitch which you seem to cultivate in abundance.

 

[Robertsskippyj]

I picked up a pair of unused genuine YL 44 on eBay for £41 each. I thought that was pretty good as repros would have cost me £30 each. Incidentally if you took the £2 18 shillings from the above price list and used the RPI increase from 1945 to 2015 you get £112.90 per share, that would be a scary amount to pay. Just made the other night some wooden pegs for them. I'm told by a family member who used them commercially that as long as you don't reverse with the plough in the ground, which snaps the peg that they'll be fine. Personally I've gone with them as I don't fancy drilling, banging and screwing cast iron.

 

[John 1594]

Think my last post went over your head John. I was referring to the twitch which you seem to cultivate in abundance.

I did wonder about that

we did have a lot of twitch, mainly in a group of fields what had been in permenant set-aside for a number of years.