'Yorkshire Disease' (only joking) hits Europeans!

[Howard150]

Joking apart - Good luck to the English Ploughmen, Coaches and Officials heading off for the European Competitions this weekend

Yorkshire figures heavily this years Vintage competition with Mick Watkins at the helm, Stuart Burden ploughing Classic, Ian Berriman ploughing Vintage Mounted and honorary Yorkshireman Ray Alderson ploughing in the Trailing Class

Wishing them all good luck and hope we did not offend the purists too much. Yorkshire or not, this is for England. Be proud and support them!

 

[arcobob]

Joking apart - Good luck to the English Ploughmen, Coaches and Officials heading off for the European Competitions this weekend

Yorkshire figures heavily this years Vintage competition with Mick Watkins at the helm, Stuart Burden ploughing Classic, Ian Berriman ploughing Vintage Mounted and honorary Yorkshireman Ray Alderson ploughing in the Trailing Class

Wishing them all good luck and hope we did not offend the purists too much. Yorkshire or not, this is for England. Be proud and support them!

Where is Alan Titchmarsh ?

 

[roscoe erf]

Is not paying for a round a disease now then

 

[Sprayer]

Best of luck everyone.

 

[Ley253]

Joking apart - Good luck to the English Ploughmen, Coaches and Officials heading off for the European Competitions this weekend

Yorkshire figures heavily this years Vintage competition with Mick Watkins at the helm, Stuart Burden ploughing Classic, Ian Berriman ploughing Vintage Mounted and honorary Yorkshireman Ray Alderson ploughing in the Trailing Class

Wishing them all good luck and hope we did not offend the purists too much. Yorkshire or not, this is for England. Be proud and support them!

How sad that one of the most notorious cheats. Yes M Watkins, I do mean you, is representing this country!

 

[arcobob]

All this stuff goes totally unreported on the SOP website. Do they not recognise the European championship ?

 

[Boohoo]

All this stuff goes totally unreported on the SOP website. Do they not recognise the European championship ?

It's the same with the NIPA, pictures and good luck messages for their reversible team but no mention of the vintage/classic team. If you aren't ploughing world style the national ploughing organisations don't want to know

 

[Howard150]

How sad that one of the most notorious cheats. Yes M Watkins, I do mean you, is representing this country!

Sorry to have to say this but.....
Mick Watkins along with several other Yorkshire Vintage and Classic ploughmen, has a tremendous National and European tally of titles - all won where handling rules were strictly enforced. I think it is about time that this constant stream of battering people who are actually doing good things for England came to an end. Mick Watkins along with Brian Curtis organised a superb European Vintage Championship in 2013 at Worksop. What do all the complainants and knockers ever do for ploughing.
If you want to attack anybody then let's have an assault on the match organisers who turn a blind eye. They are the ones who are responsible for administering the rules.
When in Rome....let's not forget also some of the poor losers who follow judges round criticising opponents plots and pointing out faults. Let's not forget the others who send freinds and relatives to shop their contemporaries for handling.
Besides which, disqualification is extreme. Even the SOP rules only require a deduction of 20 points
And just to add insult to injury...... a deduction of 20 points from a top ploughman would not always change the final result. Think carefully..... without guilt...first stone.......
There are many more fundamental things wrong with ploughing.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Sorry to have to say this but.....
Mick Watkins along with several other Yorkshire Vintage and Classic ploughmen, has a tremendous National and European tally of titles - all won where handling rules were strictly enforced. I think it is about time that this constant stream of battering people who are actually doing good things for England came to an end. Mick Watkins along with Brian Curtis organised a superb European Vintage Championship in 2013 at Worksop. What do all the complainants and knockers ever do for ploughing.
If you want to attack anybody then let's have an assault on the match organisers who turn a blind eye. They are the ones who are responsible for administering the rules.
When in Rome....let's not forget also some of the poor losers who follow judges round criticising opponents plots and pointing out faults. Let's not forget the others who send freinds and relatives to shop their contemporaries for handling.
Besides which, disqualification is extreme. Even the SOP rules only require a deduction of 20 points
And just to add insult to injury...... a deduction of 20 points from a top ploughman would not always change the final result. Think carefully..... without guilt...first stone.......
There are many more fundamental things wrong with ploughing.

I could not agree more with this post,
Don't blame the ploughmen, its the staff running the match, and yes when in Rome

 

[Ley253]

Sorry to have to say this but.....
Mick Watkins along with several other Yorkshire Vintage and Classic ploughmen, has a tremendous National and European tally of titles - all won where handling rules were strictly enforced. I think it is about time that this constant stream of battering people who are actually doing good things for England came to an end. Mick Watkins along with Brian Curtis organised a superb European Vintage Championship in 2013 at Worksop. What do all the complainants and knockers ever do for ploughing.
If you want to attack anybody then let's have an assault on the match organisers who turn a blind eye. They are the ones who are responsible for administering the rules.
When in Rome....let's not forget also some of the poor losers who follow judges round criticising opponents plots and pointing out faults. Let's not forget the others who send freinds and relatives to shop their contemporaries for handling.
Besides which, disqualification is extreme. Even the SOP rules only require a deduction of 20 points
And just to add insult to injury...... a deduction of 20 points from a top ploughman would not always change the final result. Think carefully..... without guilt...first stone.......
There are many more fundamental things wrong with ploughing.

Typical sop bilge! CHEATING is CHEATING, and were I asked to form a team with that man, I would not be seen near it. The man is known as a serial handler,(or in his case footer) as you must know, but as he is good at and comes from an area where such practises are turned a blind eye to, its all right then.
What do the complainers and knockers do for ploughing? lets start with what they dont do! They dont cheat their way to prizes. They dont cheat as a matter of course, so poss denying a newcomer a morale boosting success. Most of the time, they compete fairly and with some honesty.

 

[Ley253]

I could not agree more with this post,
Don't blame the ploughmen, its the staff running the match, and yes when in Rome

Sorry John, but its the ploughmen who have the dirty hands, just because they are not caught by the stewards does not make it right. This problem starts with, is tolerated by, ploughmen!
However the tide may be turning, at the matches I attended in the midlands the yellow and red markers worked well, the yellow warning carried an automatic ten point penalty! No reds were awarded, as far as I know.

 

[Howard150]

Typical sop bilge! CHEATING is CHEATING, and were I asked to form a team with that man, I would not be seen near it. The man is known as a serial handler,(or in his case footer) as you must know, but as he is good at and comes from an area where such practises are turned a blind eye to, its all right then.
What do the complainers and knockers do for ploughing? lets start with what they dont do! They dont cheat their way to prizes. They dont cheat as a matter of course, so poss denying a newcomer a morale boosting success. Most of the time, they compete fairly and with some honesty.

Sorry Ley253 but I fail to see where does the SOP come into this thread, apart from a valid criticism that there is no mention on either their website or Facebook page which compliments our European Contenders.
Are you likely ever to organise an event like this?
Like it or not - the concept of representing ones country relies more on a will to win than on who causes the least offence.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Typical sop bilge! CHEATING is CHEATING, and were I asked to form a team with that man, I would not be seen near it. The man is known as a serial handler,(or in his case footer) as you must know, but as he is good at and comes from an area where such practises are turned a blind eye to, its all right then.
What do the complainers and knockers do for ploughing? lets start with what they dont do! They dont cheat their way to prizes. They dont cheat as a matter of course, so poss denying a newcomer a morale boosting success. Most of the time, they compete fairly and with some honesty.

Harry, last week we held our 1st match, and it was a 2 day one as well, we told them all that a flag system would be in use, yellow in their plot for a warning, red for penalty points,
In the first half hour on day 1, a yellow flag was put in a plot for handling, and the handling stopped for that day and the second day as well,
On the Sunday match just down the road, the same competitors where handling as there was no stewards,

 

[Ley253]

The will to win is of course required, but not at any cost. The SOP comes in as its a policy that is quietly accepted in the upper reaches of that body. KC, himself, when asked about MWs handling at a seminar no less, passed the comment, that its best to do that when the stewards not around! There are photographs of none other than JH. handling for all he is worth at a charity match! Does a man of his undoubted ability really need to cheat his way to a bit of cardboard? This man is one of those making up the rules he ignores, where is his creditability then?
I will never organise any such event, I am too old for one thing, and lack the contacts for another.

 

[Ley253]

Harry, last week we held our 1st match, and it was a 2 day one as well, we told them all that a flag system would be in use, yellow in their plot for a warning, red for penalty points,
In the first half hour on day 1, a yellow flag was put in a plot for handling, and the handling stopped for that day and the second day as well,
On the Sunday match just down the road, the same competitors where handling as there was no stewards,

But, it was the ploughmen who were being dishonest, and committing the crime. Should we all take a shotgun and mask to the post office, just because there is no police station near?
One way match organisers could help to stop this "gamesmanship" would be to refuse entries from known perpetrators the questionable arts

 

[Howard150]

The will to win is of course required, but not at any cost. The SOP comes in as its a policy that is quietly accepted in the upper reaches of that body. KC, himself, when asked about MWs handling at a seminar no less, passed the comment, that its best to do that when the stewards not around! There are photographs of none other than JH. handling for all he is worth at a charity match! Does a man of his undoubted ability really need to cheat his way to a bit of cardboard? This man is one of those making up the rules he ignores, where is his creditability then?
I will never organise any such event, I am too old for one thing, and lack the contacts for another.

Very much as I imagined. MW is not in the higher eschelons of ploughing and probably not bothered either way. Regardless he does a lot for ploughing

Without being insulting and just to allay your fears, then I think the last person who he would consult prior to team formation would be you.

With regard to younger ploughmen improving then MW along with a few more of us in this neck of the woods have a long long list of young ploughmen who we help and coach on a regular basis. This is the way forward with youngsters and novices - advice and guidance. Bleating on and on about handling will not improve their standing. Doing something constructive will!

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

But, it was the ploughmen who were being dishonest, and committing the crime. Should we all take a shotgun and mask to the post office, just because there is no police station near?

I bet if you where going 6 rounds with Tyson you would want a referee in the ring with you, and not rely on good sportsmanship

 

[arcobob]

Has anybody heard of self restraint and self discipline. Why is it necessary for someone else to tell you that cheating is an unsavoury practice, just like stealing. Are you suggesting it is OK to commit a crime as long as you don`t get caught even if it means depriving others or infringing their rights.

 

[arcobob]

Very much as I imagined. MW is not in the higher eschelons of ploughing and probably not bothered either way. Regardless he does a lot for ploughing

Without being insulting and just to allay your fears, then I think the last person who he would consult prior to team formation would be you.

With regard to younger ploughmen improving then MW along with a few more of us in this neck of the woods have a long long list of young ploughmen who we help and coach on a regular basis. This is the way forward with youngsters and novices - advice and guidance. Bleating on and on about handling will not improve their standing. Doing something constructive will!

Whatever MW does for the good of ploughing should be applauded. What he has done is stack up a load of anecdotal evidence and some video evidence of his blatant cheating in matches. When challenged he has brutally defended his actions and attacked his accusers. Is this the sort of person we need to captain our National squad ? NO. There are plenty of others , quite capable and not carrying the same stigma who should have taken precedence. Cheating has been largely wiped out in some areas because people have the guts to attack it and competitors have welcomed this generally, actually congratulating the organisers for doing so. The ploughing world is a happier place without it so let`s not defend these practices at any level.

 

[arcobob]

I bet if you where going 6 rounds with Tyson you would want a referee in the ring with you, and not rely on good sportsmanship

Mike Tyson is a well known hoodlum and bully boy. Are you making a comparison ?