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- East Sussex
Pipe dream.
You must earn your keep after Brexit, farmers told.
- Thread starter Robigus
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Pipe dream.
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- Ceredigion
She either been misquoted or its a total contradiction if you read through it
- Location
- Lincolnshire.
You have to try and market the idea.
British organic food. Good for you. Good for farmers. Good for the planet. Let's do it for all our children.
Not happening without subsidy though.
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
On the face of it, she is condescending and downright insulting to British farmers.
Boy am I glad that I'm nearing retirement! The aim now is to survive and get out with my 'wealth', such as it is, intact and with a retirement income that allows my family to enjoy ourselves. Just like, say, a retired civil servant or doctor.
Boy am I glad that I'm nearing retirement! The aim now is to survive and get out with my 'wealth', such as it is, intact and with a retirement income that allows my family to enjoy ourselves. Just like, say, a retired civil servant or doctor.
- Location
- Cumbria
The sorry fact in all of this subsidy/Brexit rubbish is that £2-3billion is peanuts compared to the waste currently in the public sector.
Take the subs away, and keep agriculture at arms length of the 'industry' that has been created keeping the unemployable employed pushing paper.
Take the subs away, and keep agriculture at arms length of the 'industry' that has been created keeping the unemployable employed pushing paper.
Danllan
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- Sir Gar / Carms
The math's in the article is interesting. 23p per day per person in the UK works out at about £5.5 billions per annum. That means we only need 36% of the current money raised to continue to have the same funds available to UK farmers. Clearly the method of allocation of the cash will change, but the fact that UK nationals will no longer be subsidising foreign farmers is an obvious winner when it comes to selling the future deal to the UK public.
I'd be quite happy as an Ag' Minister telling the Commons: 'Yes, we will slash the money raised for agricultural subsidy (soon to be environmental) from the taxpayer by more than 60% overnight, while at the same time ensuring that our British farmers are not disadvantaged in any way.' Astonishingly it could all be true!
I'd be quite happy as an Ag' Minister telling the Commons: 'Yes, we will slash the money raised for agricultural subsidy (soon to be environmental) from the taxpayer by more than 60% overnight, while at the same time ensuring that our British farmers are not disadvantaged in any way.' Astonishingly it could all be true!
glasshouse
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- lothians
Subs should be stopped and guaranteed prices brought back like we had before rhe eu
Exfarmer
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- Bury St Edmunds
Minnette Batters is simply stating what is staring farming in the face.
The conservatives have never believed in subsidies, it seems amazing that anyone does not see that. It was always said before we joined the EU, farmers vote Conservative, but do better under a labour government.
I cannot see Any labour government paying subsidies to farming until the NHS has more money than it can spend. We will need it if this happens as pigs will have wings.
The conservatives have never believed in subsidies, it seems amazing that anyone does not see that. It was always said before we joined the EU, farmers vote Conservative, but do better under a labour government.
I cannot see Any labour government paying subsidies to farming until the NHS has more money than it can spend. We will need it if this happens as pigs will have wings.
exmoor dave
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- exmoor, uk
Hmmm....... glaring mistake at the beginning, that subs are dependent on the amount of land "owned" 
Anyway, best bit..........The National Trust calling for a end to the above system........The same national trust who are one of the countries largest land owners, with one of the largest bps claims, even before the fact the tenants rents they collect........ have bps factored in.......... wonder if the NT can see the problem here........... ?
Anyway, best bit..........The National Trust calling for a end to the above system........The same national trust who are one of the countries largest land owners, with one of the largest bps claims, even before the fact the tenants rents they collect........ have bps factored in.......... wonder if the NT can see the problem here........... ?
NT are hoping the subs go environmental and they can collect more money, whether or not what the NT does is good for the environment will not matter one bitHmmm....... glaring mistake at the beginning, that subs are dependent on the amount of land "owned"
Anyway, best bit..........The National Trust calling for a end to the above system........The same national trust who are one of the countries largest land owners, with one of the largest bps claims, even before the fact the tenants rents they collect........ have bps factored in.......... wonder if the NT can see the problem here........... ?
Lazy Sod
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- Location
- Warminster Wiltshire
Hmmm....... glaring mistake at the beginning, that subs are dependent on the amount of land "owned"
capfits
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Looking at this thread there sure are going to be some bubbles burst.
Guaranteed minimum prices? aye right.
Nothing happens without subsidy? Aye right
Public will pay more for food? Aye right
Lobby for British Food? Aye right
No wonder entitlement is what is talked about there is a pretty strong sense of it.
In the current round of reforms receipt from subsidies are dropping. Now arguably it would ideal and hopeful if subsidies are going to be removed if this was down in a planned structured way over number of years.
As @Exfarmer points out this is not the way of present administration so we could be without any meaningful support ,subsidy, entitlement etc pretty sharpish post Brexit. Take the steps that will reduce impact of this possible scenario.
Guaranteed minimum prices? aye right.
Nothing happens without subsidy? Aye right
Public will pay more for food? Aye right
Lobby for British Food? Aye right
No wonder entitlement is what is talked about there is a pretty strong sense of it.
In the current round of reforms receipt from subsidies are dropping. Now arguably it would ideal and hopeful if subsidies are going to be removed if this was down in a planned structured way over number of years.
As @Exfarmer points out this is not the way of present administration so we could be without any meaningful support ,subsidy, entitlement etc pretty sharpish post Brexit. Take the steps that will reduce impact of this possible scenario.
Lazy Sod
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- Warminster Wiltshire
Those were not the words of Minette Batters, but of the Times correspondent.
Well , there is 50p an acre here waiting to help kickstart a movement in this direction,
Make a start with stopping any subs where food production is not the main objective.
Public goods like conservation, landscape or environmental need to be funded entirely separately.
Other things that were for the public good but now part of private profit orientated entireprises,
such as telecoms , water, gas and electric supply using farmers land should charged for accordingly. Get quite fed up with various utilities happy to send a very expensive team of people here to argue over a couple of pounds of compensation.
I know they sometimes have to improve their infrastructure, but i also have to pay my bills,
and often read the advice that farmers should maximise their opportunities
exmoor dave
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- exmoor, uk
gone up the hill
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- Location
- Devon
Nothing to be confused about!
The NFU stated after the consultation they carried out that they wouldn't be announcing the NFU policy about future farm subs/ direction etc etc until FEB 2017 ( at the NFU conference I assume) and Minette Batters has now come out 3 months before this and said she believes they should go in their current format and farmers need to start earning their keep etc etc so now she has totally undermined the launch in FEB and what the Official NFU policy is going to be the NFU imo now have NO choice but to bring that launch forward and make the NFU view point/ future policy clear to thousands of their members who clearly are worried about life post Brexit.
Don't forget that Minette Batters will have been paid several hundred pounds for that interview in the times yesterday!
Also its very ironic that she states that farmers need to shape up and start earning their keep when she sits on several boards like the RT company for example who's proposals for new rules post 2017 for the RT scheme will costs farmers hundreds of extra pounds to comply with! ie on one hand we are trying to cut costs like she suggests we do so and then on the other hand she is happily supporting extra costs in other areas of our businesses.
Also the most valid point is that her job at the NFU is to stand up and fight for her farmer members yet that interview yesterday sounds more like its come from a spokeswoman of the National Trust/ RSPB etc, just WHO is she actually working for?!
Oh and just for balance I think the only NFU top team member who has done their job correctly over the whole Brexit issue is Guy Smith.
gone up the hill
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- Devon
If that is the case then the NFU tomorrow will need to pressure the Times to make a full Apology and print what Minette Batters actually said to clarify the situation.
- Location
- Ceredigion
"Oh sorry i dindnt mean that".bit late now .think before you speak next time
Hmmm....... glaring mistake at the beginning, that subs are dependent on the amount of land "owned"
Anyway, best bit..........The National Trust calling for a end to the above system........The same national trust who are one of the countries largest land owners, with one of the largest bps claims, even before the fact the tenants rents they collect........ have bps factored in.......... wonder if the NT can see the problem here........... ?
Am sure i have read somewhere that Subs specifically should not be factored into rent reviews