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- Thread starter sleepy
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the greatest country on the planet,the land of the free.
multi power
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- pembrokeshire
they helped win the war, maybe you would rather be speaking german ?
No they won the war if you belive the Hollywood remake
multi power
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- pembrokeshire
No they won the war if you belive the Hollywood remake
well i would not go that far, but they definetly helped, but contrary to what people think the germans are not as clever as the brits
yorkie
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2 contractors with tractors,was getting a new tractor that got sent to another farm,they got paid for standing about,when there is 10 to 13 tractors in a field waiting while you mend a harvester and they are all getting paid it makes you wonder haw much big farms make, we worked it out one day it was costing about a thousand pound an hour,must be a lot of money in onions,its called big farm management,half are contractors half farmers and there workers,the more time they are there the more money they make,its haw they start off with old tractors and rapidly move on to new ones
there is intelligence and intelligence.the yanks were the arsenal of freedom but weren't that great at fighting and were lead by mostly idiots with Eisenhower being the exception.
You're including running costs for machinery? So could be anything an hourly rate for a forager or combine are a lot different to a haybob
Thick Farmer
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- West Wales
In my case it's a tractor and post banger and also a 4x4 with a trailer and associated fencing tools.
Robigus
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NO! It's McD's thick shake. In the US it's served with a cherry on top and is probably full of trans fats, but it tastes great. Cross one mile over the border in to Canada and you lose the cherry (and probably the trans fats) and some of the taste. Get back to UK and it tastes of frog's spawn.
I didn't have to go that far to lose my cherry
Robigus
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The only other cost is the 13.8% employer's national insurance, all the other things you mention are included in basic terms of employment.
If people don't want to employ workers that is fine, but moaning about basic terms of employment is ridiculous. It's like buying a tractor and then complaining that you have to pay for the diesel.
mushnt grummmble
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every other business charges appropriate rates and probably make enough to cover wages and make a small profit on charging the labour out
re end of my post,change yer business if yer a greeting pussed git who cant hack it,
I didn't mean for this thread to turn into an employee bashing thread! I like to treat people well as you get out what you put in
The thread was started because I was quite upset about having to tell someone I couldn't offer them the full time job they wanted as they just didn't have the skills.
But I do think the UK is falling behind the rest of the world in terms of people wanting to work, my main programmer is Ukrainian and he is brilliant with a fantastic work ethic. I am hoping Ukraine will join the EU so he can move here
I have had the same experience with Poles and Russians. UK freelancers are a waste of time.
The thread was started because I was quite upset about having to tell someone I couldn't offer them the full time job they wanted as they just didn't have the skills.
But I do think the UK is falling behind the rest of the world in terms of people wanting to work, my main programmer is Ukrainian and he is brilliant with a fantastic work ethic
. I am hoping Ukraine will join the EU so he can move here I have had the same experience with Poles and Russians. UK freelancers are a waste of time.
Thick Farmer
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The answer is just over £15 an hour. So the hidden costs add another 50% to the wage bill.
Problems arise when you attempt to make some money by employing people as there is a limit to what a customer will pay.
I charge £40 per hour for a fencing gang of 2 men with tractor, posts banger, 4x4, trailer etc. it doesn't make me a great deal of money when wages of £30 an hour are taken into account.
I had the customers telling me I'm a robbing barsteward for charging out these guys at £20 a head per hour.
At the same time the staff thought I was making a fortune off their backs 'cos after deductions they only got about £8 per hour, so they wanted a pay rise...
I just couldnt win! Being an employer sucks.
Problems arise when you attempt to make some money by employing people as there is a limit to what a customer will pay.
I charge £40 per hour for a fencing gang of 2 men with tractor, posts banger, 4x4, trailer etc. it doesn't make me a great deal of money when wages of £30 an hour are taken into account.
I had the customers telling me I'm a robbing barsteward for charging out these guys at £20 a head per hour.
At the same time the staff thought I was making a fortune off their backs 'cos after deductions they only got about £8 per hour, so they wanted a pay rise...
I just couldnt win! Being an employer sucks.
multi power
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- pembrokeshire
i dont agree, if you have an employee you have the following costs
hourly rate @ £10
40 hours a week = 20800 a year
but only 48 weeks are worked, holiday etc
ni contributions 2808
4 weeks holiday 1600
cover for the 4 weeks 1600
lets say he is off sick for a week 400
a weeks cover 400
i make that 6808 on top of wages
20800
6808= 27608 divide by 1920 hours worked=
£14.38/hour
thats not even counting downtime, maternity or whatever, travelling to where work is etc etc etc
then you have paye returns etc
cant comment on others but i would be happy to contract in me with my tractor n post knocker for very little over this figure
multi power
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- pembrokeshire
Economies of scale
10/hour margin isn't much, but if you had 5 gangs you could clear 500/day Also, I agree with you if you are seen to be simply a middle man adding a margin everyone will think you are just ripping them off. Impossible situation. Can't you charge per job / per metre etc instead of per hour? Not many people have ever got rich charging by the hour.
ianw
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- east yorkshire
I appreciate you didn't start the thread for employee bashing and the thick farmer and I have probably caused most of the issues.As the employer sleepy its your job I guess to find work/sell cameras/ sell hay etc and make sure the money is there on a friday or monthly to pay your staff,you can't do that if your having to "nanny" staff or constantly check their work so as not to cause yourself more difficulties in the future.I didn't mean for this thread to turn into an employee bashing thread! I like to treat people well as you get out what you put in
The thread was started because I was quite upset about having to tell someone I couldn't offer them the full time job they wanted as they just didn't have the skills.
But I do think the UK is falling behind the rest of the world in terms of people wanting to work, my main programmer is Ukrainian and he is brilliant with a fantastic work ethic
I have had the same experience with Poles and Russians. UK freelancers are a waste of time.
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