Sacking people

[Rob Graham]

I tjhink a few employers might benefit from looking up Maslow

The good old Hierarchy of Needs....4 years of a management degree in all its copied-and-pasted colourful goodness haha!

There is a tendency in this topic to mention the youths or adolescents who simply haven't as yet gained the attitude, life skills or communication skills to be effective and efficient workers. There is another tendency to discuss how they are employed based on a wage requirement and may fall short on this.

To operate within the law and increase the value of such people I think employers within our industry need to be more modern and formal with our requirements, it might be time consuming but we increasingly need to keep our asses covered. A simple contract involving a probation period upon which successfully completed will lead to additional training and therefore reward will benefit the employer....if the employee doesnt like it they're aware of where to go!

 

[John]

Are your self employed workers not charging more than what you would pay an employee?

 

[Headless chicken]

When you are up at 5 am and not in till 8 I don't think it's too much to ask to have that much time off with your family.

At the end of the day we should work to live not live to work. This doesn't mean I have a crap attitude when I am at work I work bloody hard and I don't have that much time off either.

If you look after someone they will look after you. Just think what happens when u want your bloke to cover for you because you've broken your leg or something. Doubt he will be overly keen to help.

 

[Hilly]

Are your self employed workers not charging more than what you would pay an employee?

One here now, capable bloke £9hr

 

[ianw]

One here now, capable bloke £9hr

I think he was probably getting at over the course of a year?could be wrong though but no it works out cheaper as no holiday pay to find,no extra cover to pay for while your paying the 1st holiday pay.You only pay them for what they work,no finding them jobs on wet days etc or when work doesn't go to plan and your held up waiting for jobs to start.

 

[Stoxs]

One here now, capable bloke £9hr

i should put him upto £10 per hour quick before he finds something better!!

 

[Hilly]

i should put him upto £10 per hour quick before he finds something better!!

No way, he will have to ask then I might, he wont find better than me pall, I just gave him his dinner while I type, and breakfast/coffee this morning.

 

[ianw]

No way, he will have to ask then I might, he wont find better than me pall, I just gave him his dinner while I type, and breakfast/coffee this morning.

I asked a bloke once and a very good machine man,not trying to poach him I may add,why do you work for that wage?as I knew his boss wasn't the best of payers,his anwer was "cheque is always there when I ask,leaves me to get on with stuff and not constantly checking up and wanting more work done etc" more to life than money for some folk even though its helpfull at times

 

[yorkie]

if self employed workers are so good why do they need 2 to do work and hours when i left last place ?,nothing pises us employees off more when you get rained off and they hang around toss,,, themselves off just so they get paid,something goes wrong they sit in tractor reading paper supping coffee you get good and bad in both,have had some that pee'd me off that much I wouldn't work with them

 

[multi power]

Key man insurance

so another cost

 

[Thick Farmer]

Quick question:

If I employ a man on the books at £10 per hour, how much do you lot think it ACTUALLY costs me per hour when all other aspects such as employers NI top up, holiday pay, sick pay, insurance, running costs for machinery and breakages are considered.

I know what the answer is, but would be interested to know what others think it is.

Clue.....it's a lot more than you think!

 

[ianw]

if self employed workers are so good why do they need 2 to do work and hours when i left last place ?,nothing pises us employees off more when you get rained off and they hang around toss,,, themselves off just so they get paid,something goes wrong they sit in tractor reading paper supping coffee you get good and bad in both,have had some that pee'd me off that much I wouldn't work with them

How does that work then?who in there right mind would pay two people to do one job?not in my experience anyway.On the second point why pay self employed staff to "toss" it off?it makes no sense send them home or find servicing work etc but surely its the person paying the wage's fault if said staff are doing nothing.If the self employed person has anything about them when something breaks they will possibly try to fix it as there keen to work hence wh their "self employed" while the employee sits there tossing it off reading the paper because its not in their job description and there getting paid anyway or going on holiday tomorrow anyway?it works both ways on all counts surely?

 

[l'ordinary bonville]

my contrat stated the farm where i lived was my place of work, this was the meeting point every morning.
Other farm was around 1 hour away by tractor !
we had a discussion one day about it and i said would you expect me to drive 5 hours if you owned a farm further away? his answer was no.
i dont expect my employer to be a charity but also i aint one either. i expect what i am due and what my contract of employment states this is what i agreed to. If my contract stated i had to travel to other farms in my time and i signed it and accepted it there would be no problem.

but then alot of farms think contracts of employment are a waste of space or dont know what they are!!!
One of the biggest levers an employer has and it aint used!!!

I used to fly for an airline that stated my place of work (airport). It also stated what it called an "alternate base" which was the next nearest airport. I still had to be able to drive to this base as part of my own travel arrangements, i.e. without clocking on or accounting for mileage.

Simple wording in an employment contract would say where you would "normally" report to work and also where you "might" be expected to report to work "on occasions"

 

[grumpy]

Cause it a sh!t job

aye enjoy it,

 

[roscoe erf]

aye enjoy it,

Now are you saying you enjoy it or I should

 

[multi power]

Quick question:

If I employ a man on the books at £10 per hour, how much do you lot think it ACTUALLY costs me per hour when all other aspects such as employers NI top up, holiday pay, sick pay, insurance, running costs for machinery and breakages are considered.

I know what the answer is, but would be interested to know what others think it is.

Clue.....it's a lot more than you think!

got to be around 15quid

 

[grumpy]

Now are you saying you enjoy it or I should

i enjoy it aye,the silage is in the jobs a good un then you can tyre spot,i have me faves a 205/60/15

 

[roscoe erf]

i enjoy it aye,the silage is in the jobs a good un then you can tyre spot,i have me faves a 205/60/15

Man you need to get out more everyone knows the best tyre is a 235/65/16

 

[MF7618]

Americans get much less holls than us and it dose them no harm, uk has more in common with America than we have with EU countries.

F@#k me if we end up more like America I rather live in Iraq. One nation I have a dislike for Americans, tell me anything good thats come from there.

 

[grumpy]

fermers are the biggest moaning cnuts on the planet,every business has employees and seem to got on fine even small business like joiners and builders.if you dont want employees sell the farm and pocket the money as you were born with the silver spoon.