How low would sfp have to go till you tell them to keep it and farm as you want

4course · Mar 16, 2016

Hilly said:
No sensible business man is going to turn down amounts like 10k for the sake of half an afternoon filling in a form or chucking an agent a few hunderd to claim it for them weather they need the money or not ! if i had 20 million in my back pocket id claim in the low hundreds, look after the pennys the pounds look after themselves.

ah and therein comes the proof about those north of the border 20miillion and still wants£999 even if it costs him to get it ho ho

Hilly · Mar 16, 2016

Henarar said:
I farm as I want anyway

So do i, makes me wonder what the hell some want to do ?

sleepy · Mar 16, 2016

Hilly said:
well play by the rules then and dont get a deduction, a 15% deduction of 10k is still better than not claiming !

I did wonder that, if I just blindly ignored the hedgecutting ban and cut when I liked how much of my sfp would they take away?

Goweresque · Mar 16, 2016

GTB said:
True but if you don't claim you are under the radar and won't get an inspection.

I doubt they could inspect anyway. If you are not in receipt of SFP/BPS, the RPA would have no authorisation to inspect your compliance with the law. Compliance with the law would be covered by the relevant statutory authority, most likely the Environment Agency or the Local Authority, depending on the rule in question. The only power over you the RPA has is that you signed a legal document to comply with rules A,B and C in order to get £X. Don't sign that document, the RPA have no hold over you.

The whole system is predicated on the concept that because farmers take the subsidy money, they can be controlled by threatening to remove or fine them that money, with no real right of a fair trial or recourse to the rule of law. Remove that threat of withholding money, and its a whole new ball game. Suddenly the authorities would have to get warrants to enter premises, collect and preserve evidence to legal standards, make the case stand up in court. A bit harder than sending some bod round with a clipboard and then declaring they are unilaterally fining you 5% of your SFP.

Hilly · Mar 16, 2016

4course said:
ah and therein comes the proof about those north of the border 20miillion and still wants£999 even if it costs him to get it ho ho

Id claim down to 1pence if its of the government, and it was going to make me 1p better off.

Extreme Optimist · Mar 16, 2016

Hilly said:
well play by the rules then and dont get a deduction, a 15% deduction of 10k is still better than not claiming !

True, but there are costs to being in too. Time filling forms in, often wasted as in the aborted online attempts last year, stress about whether it will/won't come in, difficulty budgeting, hedges can be cut, muck can be spread and you won't feel you are being manipulated.

SilliamWhale · Mar 16, 2016

The 3 crop rule knocked a lot of value off the bean crop this year. Yes wheat was down too but it makes you wonder.

DRC · Mar 16, 2016

Hilly said:
well play by the rules then and dont get a deduction, a 15% deduction of 10k is still better than not claiming !

And those rules will still be with us after any brexit, but probably without the cash!

New holland · Mar 16, 2016

Where do you get the sum of 10k on 150 acres it's more like £3800 in a few years time

Hilly · Mar 16, 2016

Sleepy said:
I did wonder that, if I just blindly ignored the hedgecutting ban and cut when I liked how much of my sfp would they take away?

No idea, but i think 2% for first offence or something.

sleepy · Mar 16, 2016

Extreme Optimist said:
True, but there are costs to being in too. Time filling forms in, often wasted as in the aborted online attempts last year, stress about whether it will/won't come in, difficulty budgeting, hedges can be cut, muck can be spread and you won't feel you are being manipulated.

You will have much more difficulty budgeting if the money is 100% guaranteed not to arrive!

Hilly · Mar 16, 2016

silverfox said:
And those rules will still be with us after any brexit, but probably without the cash!

I cant think of any that bother me to be honest.

sleepy · Mar 16, 2016

Hilly said:
No idea, but i think 2% for first offence or something.

Less than 300 quid, I'll put the trimmer back on at the weekend

GTB · Mar 16, 2016

Sleepy said:
Less than 300 quid, I'll put the trimmer back on at the weekend

But don't get caught more than once.

Derrick Hughes · Mar 16, 2016

Hilly said:
So do i, makes me wonder what the hell some want to do ?

Your one of the lucky ones that ain't been caught

4course · Mar 16, 2016

to me complying with farm assurance which costs and returns nothing is worse than sfp

Hilly · Mar 16, 2016

Forage Trader said:
Your one of the lucky ones that ain't been caught

I don`t break the rules, i have had various inspections i have no need to break the rules what is iit folk want to do ??

Derrick Hughes · Mar 16, 2016

OK how about hedge cutting, who is going to take you on for cutting your hedges 3 weeks after the date

Hilly · Mar 16, 2016

Extreme Optimist said:
True, but there are costs to being in too. Time filling forms in, often wasted as in the aborted online attempts last year, stress about whether it will/won't come in, difficulty budgeting, hedges can be cut, muck can be spread and you won't feel you are being manipulated.

A very small price even for a couple of k never mind some claiming 100+

Hilly · Mar 16, 2016

Forage Trader said:
OK how about hedge cutting, who is going to take you on for cutting your hedges 3 weeks after the date

I only have two short hedges and they are cut at the appropriate time, next question ?

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