choochter
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- aberdeenshire
Goodness, is that all?
National trust
- Thread starter billboy 1
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- Fife
Yup. But they are always looking to buy more historic properties. They own at least 4 choice farms on the Pembrokeshire coast that I know of. Better off if they concentrated on properties, or land, but not both. Spreading themselves a bit too thinly.
Nearly
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- North of York
My cunning plan would be to move into a caravan and rent the farmhouse out for the summer?
More to life
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- Somerset
Why does every one assume the NT keep the subs I can't see how they can if your a tenant and as such the farmer. I bet it's a good deal with a whole heap of hassle it will get a massive response
There's an awful lot of negative rubbish being talked on this thread. None of us know what restrictions there are or what will happen to the subsidy money.
What is clear to me is that is has already been a very cheap and effective PR exercise for the NT, getting coverage in most national newspapers and widely discussed on social media. They could have just let it on a FBT for what £50 per acre and got no coverage or criticism. It sounds like they are hoping to make a Tv series or similar about the farm and the successful tenant which will again be massive publicity. They aren't going to want to set someone up to fail.
To me on paper it sounds like a great opportunity for someone wanting to take the next step into sheep farming who has little capital.
It won't be a picnic but then starting farming from scratch is never easy no matter how you go about it.
In summary cheer up you miserable barstewards.
What is clear to me is that is has already been a very cheap and effective PR exercise for the NT, getting coverage in most national newspapers and widely discussed on social media. They could have just let it on a FBT for what £50 per acre and got no coverage or criticism. It sounds like they are hoping to make a Tv series or similar about the farm and the successful tenant which will again be massive publicity. They aren't going to want to set someone up to fail.
To me on paper it sounds like a great opportunity for someone wanting to take the next step into sheep farming who has little capital.
It won't be a picnic but then starting farming from scratch is never easy no matter how you go about it.
In summary cheer up you miserable barstewards.
I suspect the tenant may be eligible for bps on 145 acres but the NT will be claiming hls and the would be tenant will sign a liability declaration to indemnify the NT against any agreement repayment claim in the event of breaching any part of css agreements.
This is the voice of direct experience..... that said it is a great opportunity for someone who shares the mindset of environmental/landscape management over and above any financial reward.....a young shepherd/ess dog man/woman who wants to opt out of chasing fecs, red tractors and liveweight gains . Take a step back in time but go in with your eyes open all that glitters is not gold and living and working for the NT on an atlantic clifftop may turn to fools gold. ime.
brynseiri
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- Location
- Conwy, North Wales
Tell you what, ill let my farm and house out for £1.00/ year. Who trusts me?
choochter
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- aberdeenshire
brynseiri
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- Conwy, North Wales
Does the national trust not receive the biggest SFP in the uk?
KMA
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- Dumfriesshire
You mean after the RSPB, HMQ and the Dukes of Westminster and Buccleuch?
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
Campani
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how is this different to most new entry tenant farmers, except they have to make enough money to pay rent.
- Location
- Fife
Most new entrant tenant farmers can build capital in stock, with a breeding of their choice. And they aren't expected to be a performing monkey for the camera/public at the same time.
brynseiri
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- Conwy, North Wales
Merely speculation, but how would you expand your farming operation if you were tied to stock limits or a no cattle rule? The buildings there are ideal for a B and B cattle enterprise, would they let the tenant take cattle in to utilise the buildings over the winter for example? Possibly there's a lot to be had in exchange for shepherding the flock that's to be used to manage the place? But, the token rent suggests otherwise in my opinion.
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- Fife
If its anything like the snowden job there won't be time for anything else.
Reading between the lines, they want the sheep to target certain areas with grazing. But obviously electric fencing would spoil the look, so they have to be dogged to move there and stay there.
Also, the talk of the applicant needing to love walking suggests to me that they won't allow a quad...
exmoor dave
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- exmoor, uk
It will depend if it's let on a FBT or "management agreement"
FBT= tenant gets bps
Management agreement = nt keeps bps and environmental money, but its likely some of the environmental money will be paid to the farmer if management conditions are met.
The NT like management agreements.
Nothing wrong with a management agreement, but its a step below a FBT but a step above grass keep
Note. This is first hand experience.
More to life
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- Somerset
Ok I see that does put a different spin on it ,what would you put the lamb crop in at plus a free house?I understand why it might not be so attractive to take on now it's going to need some sort of extra income.
brynseiri
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- Conwy, North Wales
I think the walking thing is more to do with access for a quad, outside of the farm ring fence it's a lot of very steep ground leading down to sheer cliffs, only walking territory to be honest, you'd get your quad to a point, then have to walk from there. You'd need to be a mountaineer or such like, as you could get in to deep sh!t if you weren't used to the place.
I know a lot of negative farmers. I don't know any negative farmers who have progressed. Some see the opportunity, others only see problems.