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multi power · Aug 26, 2016

Devon lad said:
How much of the outside hoofs do grazers trim? I tend to keep trimming to a minimal as come the end of the season soles are thin from walking. Once the outside hoof gets trimmed too far the sole is soft and is more of a problem than the first place. Anyone reduced white line massively in there herd?

White line problems? What's that? Don't get many now
But more ulcers

jimmer · Aug 27, 2016

bar718 said:
Please keep your ideas coming and explanations why if possible like the blocks on the wrong way as it doesn't matter how good we all think we are ,I am sure we can all learn different tips on this subject from here as I certainly am .

Block the wrong way around keeps weight central and aids in keeping foot pointing forwards

bar718 · Aug 27, 2016

jimmer said:
Block the wrong way around keeps weight central and aids in keeping foot pointing forwards

Just I have never heard that or seen it done so will definitely try it , thanks .

buffalo_soldier · Aug 27, 2016

I'm in the bandage brigade also. Tend to flit between copper paste and tylan.

I'm aware current thinking is blue spray only, just not fully convinced yet.

Cows 'n grass · Aug 27, 2016

Thanks for the help

I don't have any Tylan powder
I don't have any bandages
I don't have a sharp knife
I had to Google poultice

I am however particularly handy with a can of purple spray, so it looks like that will be the best course of action.

multi power · Aug 27, 2016

Cows 'n grass said:
Thanks for the help

I don't have any Tylan powder
I don't have any bandages
I don't have a sharp knife
I had to Google poultice

I am however particularly handy with a can of purple spray, so it looks like that will be the best course of action.

Spray is fine as long as you keep at it every day

Cowman31 · Aug 27, 2016

Cows 'n grass said:
Even though I've done all the trimming on this farm for a decade and I've been on a couple of foot trimming courses it's still a subject I feel quite an ignorant about

I spent this morning picking up feet and had a couple I wasn't sure about.

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Both these two had a patch on the right hand claw (as you look at it) that had a bit of give under them, not really soft but not rock hard. The pale spot on top photo is actually a lot more obvious in the photo than it was in real life and the bottom photo the softer patch was under the bruised bit. There were no obvious breaks or puncture wounds anywhere on the sole.

Would you have carried on digging?

I didn't but the last cow I looked at today was a similar case a couple of weeks ago. She just had a slightly soft bruised area last time but today there was an obvious hole and I had to take off a big chunk of sole because there appeared to be an overgrown ulcer underneath.

Both outer claws look like have been overloaded hence the reason why you can see the sole ulcer site. Take the weight of the outer claw and leave the inner claw alone, less is more when it comes to feet

Cowman31 · Aug 27, 2016

jimmer said:
interdigital granuloma
if you spend too long in the bath or swimming pool your skin goes wrinkly and will stretch a bit
i have been told that IDG's are caused due the same sort of situation
since milking 3x and scraping more often i have seen them all but disappear
i used to cut them back a bit and spray with blue spray , i was once told to spray a 10% solution of formalin on them to give them a good headache , my conscience wouldnt let me though

dont cut them if you got digi issues

my two penneth anyway

Splitpin said:
So what do you all recommend to do with these growths in between the claws. really struggle to get rid. I just make sure they get footbathed well and a dusting of copperView attachment 238254

you can get them cut out but will always grow back. Modelling out both claws will ease the pinching but apart from that you can't do very much.

Beef farmer · Aug 27, 2016

Devon lad said:
How?

We've bought in all sorts off issues, so in March trimmed all incalf cows, as these are the only ones that stayed. That massively helped, and the sharp turn out of the parlour has rubber belting on it now, so less pressure from sharp turning. Very rare to find white line as a problem now. Small stones causing bruising on the other hand!!!!! Done 2 this week.

jimmer · Aug 27, 2016

buffalo_soldier said:
I'm in the bandage brigade also. Tend to flit between copper paste and tylan.

I'm aware current thinking is blue spray only, just not fully convinced yet.

It's a bit like the whole not trimming sheep's feet just spray and go
Have faith

Devon lad · Aug 28, 2016

Beef farmer said:
the sharp turn out of the parlour has rubber belting on it now

Any chance of a pic? Please

Beef farmer · Aug 28, 2016

Devon lad said:
Any chance of a pic? Please

Just come in for breakfast. But will later. I just went down to the clay quarries and picked up used belt, then just layed it down.

jerseycowsman · Aug 28, 2016

Beef farmer said:
Just come in for breakfast. But will later. I just went down to the clay quarries and picked up used belt, then just layed it down.

Which clay quarry? I'm after some belting for curtains in my cubicles

Beef farmer · Aug 28, 2016

jerseycowsman said:
Which clay quarry? I'm after some belting for curtains in my cubicles

Immerys St Stephen. I got loads here, it'd handy stuff. Could be to heavy for curtains.

DaveGrohl · Aug 30, 2016

Cowman31 said:
Both outer claws look like have been overloaded hence the reason why you can see the sole ulcer site. Take the weight of the outer claw and leave the inner claw alone, less is more when it comes to feet

Yup, try to concentrate on trimming outside claws mainly to reduce height. Recreational trimming of inside claws is the very worst thing when it comes to ulcers. Prevention is everything. Taking height off inside claw constantly leaves you nowhere to go.

Davy · Sep 4, 2016

The outer claw was deeper on this foot resulting in bruising. Is the blood being released from the bruising here or is there another issue?

multi power · Sep 4, 2016

Davy said:
The outer claw was deeper on this foot resulting in bruising. Is the blood being released from the bruising here or is there another issue?

You have trimmed too much off, that's why it's bleeding

farmboy · Sep 4, 2016

Davy said:
The outer claw was deeper on this foot resulting in bruising. Is the blood being released from the bruising here or is there another issue?

taken too much off

DaveGrohl · Sep 4, 2016

You've taken too much off in so far as you appear to have used clippers at an angle of 45 degrees. You've actually trimmed a tiny bit inside the white line hence the bleeding. Try never to trim at anything other than flat or 90 degrees as good practice. The aim is to get the wall of the hoof to carry a lot of the weight.

Blue. · Sep 5, 2016

Davy said:
The outer claw was deeper on this foot resulting in bruising. Is the blood being released from the bruising here or is there another issue?

www.nadis.org.uk/bulletins/lameness-control-in-dairy-herds/part-1-practical-foot-trimming-(dutch-5-step-method).aspx

Not a huge fan of the Dutch method on my big cows but in step1 it states "stop before sole thinning" test by give on thumb pressure.

I very rarely cut too deep but did on a cow last week

feck I was mad with myself

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