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Tarw Coch
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Tarw Coch
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Course it's the norm-look on here
. Who'd have thought once of a day that a load of shovel handed farmers would be discussing calving cows, direct drilling and who they fancied 20 years ago? Doesn't mean you need to lose your manners though
caveman
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Never leave any wrap or plastic in my wrap.
The only stuff that does get in there is from when the contractor doesn't kick out "missed" bales properly and get the wrap out before he rebales it.
The only stuff that does get in there is from when the contractor doesn't kick out "missed" bales properly and get the wrap out before he rebales it.
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Tarw Coch
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I remember as a young lad being sent to what looked off the road to be a very posh farm to collect a trailer, rolled up in my freshly polished tractor to be directed round the back through about 10 inches of stagnant smelly slop, a kind of slurry/silage effluent concoction which splattered all over the tractor once out on the road.
Worse still, had I known at the time, I could have got in another way.
Well I waded through this whole thread
Luckily when I was pumping cow sh!t only two places we did were sh!t holes,string plastic and even diesel filters in the tanker spout before,but I would never name them on the internet..
Think the lad in question should apologise to farmer,get a written warning from boss and forget about it.. move on
Luckily when I was pumping cow sh!t only two places we did were sh!t holes,string plastic and even diesel filters in the tanker spout before,but I would never name them on the internet..
Think the lad in question should apologise to farmer,get a written warning from boss and forget about it.. move on
25k members - for every member there are x10 that vist each month (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/thefarmingforum.co.uk) but are not members, as many as 250k unique visitors a month ! (globally) but 82% UK / Ireland
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Tarw Coch
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Interesting, wonder who all the visitors are and if regular visitors why they don't sign up.
That said, how many of the 25,000 are regular posters? A lot of the names that keep popping up are familiar, can't be that big a number that post fairly regularly, say 10+ posts a week..........and yes, I know some are good for at least that number a day.
Interesting, wonder who all the visitors are and if regular visitors why they don't sign up.
That said, how many of the 25,000 are regular posters? A lot of the names that keep popping up are familiar, can't be that big a number that post fairly regularly, say 10+ posts a week..........and yes, I know some are good for at least that number a day.
I could bore you with all sorts of stats that would probably surprise you .......... but its Saturday night and there are far more interesting ways to spend it
suffice to say if the farmers son is on intstagram odds are he's seen this thread too !
Tarw Coch
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Yes, I'm sure, anyway, off to the pub shortly.I could bore you with all sorts of stats that would probably surprise you .......... but its Saturday night and there are far more interesting ways to spend it
suffice to say if the farmers son is on intstagram odds are he's seen this thread too !
YorkshireAndrew
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Yes, I'm sure, anyway, off to the pub shortly.
Don't call him shortly .
Old McDonald
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Yesterday while doing some contract slurry work for a "5 star establishment
He did use some choice words to describe the farm in some of them but too his defense one had the caption " What a swell place to spend the afternoon " which i thought was quite nice
In one of the snapchat's my guy filmed the farmer moving mixing points.... There was a pallet covering the hole...Farmer put slurry pump straight through it
It's also a good job ive got my "waste carriers license" I wonder should i suggest to the farmer he needs a waste exemption to spread off specification materials
You are worse than your employee. You have no intention of doing anything about your employee because you are actively supporting his actions. Some of the extracts from your posts show this.
Maybe when you lose a lot of customers because of this attitude you will realise that your employee was absolutely and totally in the wrong to take films on somebody's farm and publish them to the world.
You have to stop your employees from ever doing this again. Simple. No taking of photographs or films on farms unless the farmer specifically agrees to them being taken and approves the content.
You will lose a lot of business over this episode and unless you take a more responsible attitude towards the privacy of your customers it will be deserved. It is not too late to stop the financial implications for you.
It is up to you to decide how to discipline the employee - and you should have decided this long before now. It is also up to you to try to salvage something from the inexcusable behaviour of one of your staff. The final extract I quoted above leads me to think you have no intentions of doing either. Your loss.
Johnny Deere
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The fact of the matter is the guy doing the job shouldn't be such a clown as to go raving on snapchat.
Why didn't he ring you? Or have a word with the farmer saying he kept getting blocked.
The state of some farms is ridiculous and it wouldn't be expected of any other trades person to work in such conditions.
He sounds like the type that he's not doing any wrong.
Don't ring him call over there apologise he's more pee'd off that your worker broadcasted to an audience than anything else.
Tell him you had a word with the chap you argue with the farmers frustration.
Get paid and decided in your own time if you want to return or not
Why didn't he ring you? Or have a word with the farmer saying he kept getting blocked.
The state of some farms is ridiculous and it wouldn't be expected of any other trades person to work in such conditions.
He sounds like the type that he's not doing any wrong.
Don't ring him call over there apologise he's more pee'd off that your worker broadcasted to an audience than anything else.
Tell him you had a word with the chap you argue with the farmers frustration.
Get paid and decided in your own time if you want to return or not
Princess Pooper
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I have worked as a farm worker on many farms, a chartered accountant visiting farm and business premises doing audits, and an agricultural business consultant seeing all aspects of businesses. I've worked on confidential projects for MAFF, MoD, RPA and others, some are rural stress cases. I've had business meetings with farmers in hospital who have tried to commit suicide. I've even done projects (15 years ago) for Defra, EA etc about which rules and regulations farmers flout, and why, involving face to face interviews with farmers. (Farmer confidentiality guaranteed, no individuals information released to the client and we destroyed all the files as soon as the project completed). If I didn't keep my gob shut about some of the farms I'd been on, some of the things that I'd seen then I would have been out of work a long, long time ago. I might report a real case of animal cruelty, a major food / environmental safety / health and safety issue if I ever saw one, but I have never seen one. I might, a few years later, chat in general terms about a few shitholes I've been on or cowboys - but never in recognisable terms. Some people need to grow up a bit, learn to act like adults rather than sneaky sulky kids and take responsibility for looking after their employer's interests and professionalism.
PS I'm not at work now.
PS I'm not at work now.
where I work, admittedly a very large UK company, we have formal guidelins on social media and the like. To be very fair to my employer, they are little more than common sense.
what the character did here would have cost him his job where I work.
For those defending him, think about it. If the farm is so bad and should not be worked on, the correct route would be to ring the boss up, and advise he felt he was in an unsafe environment.
IF the boss then refused to do something about it, the employer has the backing of HSE on his side - IF things were that bad.
On the other hand, whilst many may say its not how a good farm is run, if all the issue is, is blockages in the tanker, then so what, hes getting paid to spread slurry or whatever the job was and get on with it. At that choice he has the option to work, or not.
NOWHERE above, is there any cause, or excuse to use social media to slag a paying customer off. I dont know what is referred to about the customer stepping over some line (I guess its political?) but apart from that, the customer is 100% correct. Its his farm and his alone. if you dont want the work, grow up a bit, and dont go there.
what the character did here would have cost him his job where I work.
For those defending him, think about it. If the farm is so bad and should not be worked on, the correct route would be to ring the boss up, and advise he felt he was in an unsafe environment.
IF the boss then refused to do something about it, the employer has the backing of HSE on his side - IF things were that bad.
On the other hand, whilst many may say its not how a good farm is run, if all the issue is, is blockages in the tanker, then so what, hes getting paid to spread slurry or whatever the job was and get on with it. At that choice he has the option to work, or not.
NOWHERE above, is there any cause, or excuse to use social media to slag a paying customer off. I dont know what is referred to about the customer stepping over some line (I guess its political?) but apart from that, the customer is 100% correct. Its his farm and his alone. if you dont want the work, grow up a bit, and dont go there.
Its always interesting for me whenever I read damning statements about youngsters from elders whom appear to be holier than holy in their life learnings - whereby I often question to myself if they can all put their hands on heart and categorically without question state they never disrespected anyone in their younger years, over a beer at the bar, down the town with their mates, over the telephone, took still shots with your old polaroid instant etc to highlight what a twot someone or something was?
I personally know we would for the most part have all done similar using the tech of our time, but for some strange reason - we somehow become saints in later years and make claim that we never did anything that brought our actions into question!
Basically us old heads have learnt to overcome our frustrations through getting our ears bent by the person or people we commented about, usually because our parents got to know about it and clipped us round the bloody ear for doing such things after the person who we affected had torn us a new orifice - something that does not exist these days..
We are unfortunately in an era that the likes of SC et al are the modern day equivalent, therefore the business requires a robust contract to state what is and is not acceptable, but more importantly - educate the younger generation on the pitfalls of said actions to help them along the right path, not simply sack on the spot imho.
There was reference to the farmer and his potential mental state - but conversely, this exact same comment could be positioned for the employee, as there are a higher level of young people suffering mental issues today than what was known in my day for example, so as employers, we need to cover all bases and most importantly - educate and train the younger employees, as we do not know their family boundaries so could find that their way of life does not see any wrong doing in this kind of action.
As for the farmer, he should also ask himself what his son gets up to on SC during working hours and tell his son to stay off for similar reasons, because he will more than likely be doing similar things to others (people in glass houses etc)!
For the most part, people using SC are party to taking the mick out of others. That is one of the points of SC - take the pi $$ and then the photo should disappear, but people exploit the screenshot use which then proceeds to complicate things further.
There are learnings to be had for both sides here, so if the farmer does read this, then he needs also to reflect on his own actions.
His barage of unpleasant language down the phone (yes he has a right to be upset, but should also remain professional) because it was not the OP who took the said pics etc, so could have handled it better personally and not paying his dues is completely wrong here in an industry that is already suffering financially (and no I'm not defending any actions by the other party - but as none of us here know exactly what was done, we cannot make or should not be making true judgement on actions to be taken).
I personally know we would for the most part have all done similar using the tech of our time, but for some strange reason - we somehow become saints in later years and make claim that we never did anything that brought our actions into question!
Basically us old heads have learnt to overcome our frustrations through getting our ears bent by the person or people we commented about, usually because our parents got to know about it and clipped us round the bloody ear for doing such things after the person who we affected had torn us a new orifice - something that does not exist these days..
We are unfortunately in an era that the likes of SC et al are the modern day equivalent, therefore the business requires a robust contract to state what is and is not acceptable, but more importantly - educate the younger generation on the pitfalls of said actions to help them along the right path, not simply sack on the spot imho.
There was reference to the farmer and his potential mental state - but conversely, this exact same comment could be positioned for the employee, as there are a higher level of young people suffering mental issues today than what was known in my day for example, so as employers, we need to cover all bases and most importantly - educate and train the younger employees, as we do not know their family boundaries so could find that their way of life does not see any wrong doing in this kind of action.
As for the farmer, he should also ask himself what his son gets up to on SC during working hours and tell his son to stay off for similar reasons, because he will more than likely be doing similar things to others (people in glass houses etc)!
For the most part, people using SC are party to taking the mick out of others. That is one of the points of SC - take the pi $$ and then the photo should disappear, but people exploit the screenshot use which then proceeds to complicate things further.
There are learnings to be had for both sides here, so if the farmer does read this, then he needs also to reflect on his own actions.
His barage of unpleasant language down the phone (yes he has a right to be upset, but should also remain professional) because it was not the OP who took the said pics etc, so could have handled it better personally and not paying his dues is completely wrong here in an industry that is already suffering financially (and no I'm not defending any actions by the other party - but as none of us here know exactly what was done, we cannot make or should not be making true judgement on actions to be taken).
YorkshireAndrew
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There's no excuse for people working on someone else's property & then posting derogatory comments on social media . We all use tradesmen , builders , plumbers etc & no doubt wouldn't be pleased to see photos of or comments about our property on social media taken while they were working there .
Likewise, there is no excuse for making any form of derogatory comments about anyone or anything in years before social media, which was my point.
Everyone that has ever done so - is just as guilty as this individual here, but chose to ignore that they have done similar themselves and simply hide behind the fact this was done on a technology that was not available in their day!