Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

e3120

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
Thats not a good attitude to have those calves are still lives after all. Shooting calves does no one any good if we want our industry to be seen as high welfare. I bet someone somewere could do something with them even if they end up as all mince or rose veal. Its no wonder veganism is on the rise how do you justify shooting what are only babies to the pulic who ultimaltey buy what we produce?
You make a good point, but so does Guth. There is a chunk of them that even the best husbandry will make nothing of. They still need to live & thrive to make veal. If it wasn't for the cull, dairy men would be in a worse predicament and would have to consider less extreme breeding.
 
Agree with the above point, but whilst I used to be traditional british friesan and I think successfully chose the route of cheap cost of production pence per litre some had different systems and were bordering on being forced to push for every litre with shockingly low milk price at times, not always but often breeding lines of extreme yields were not by desire more a hopeful desperate solution to keep eads above water. As an industry the faults as in cows in all year round, too much AB use etc are thrown at us by media and therefore is seen and believed by general public, we, myself included, are useless, we take it, I don't recall a decent article for years outside farming publications, which is obviously pointless, stating pork and chicken is high on ab use as a way off stocking heavier, as only solution as imports are largely battery hens/eggs, pork from crates, tell it legally, but pushing the boundries as is done against us. As @gone up the hill loves to state with beef prices, fabbl doesn't give you a premium, you just get hit and price reduction when you aren't. Get a thing going on here for everyone not to renew next membership, but will anyone honestly reply to me saying im wrong that a few would start it, and if momentum gathered the dw buyers would pay a 25ppk premium on beef or lamb and one person would jump ship thinking I cant miss that, then we all follow like sheep and then suddenly when numbers are back up that 25ppk mysteriously disappears:whistle:
 

pine_guy

Member
Location
North Cumbria
Agree with the above point, but whilst I used to be traditional british friesan and I think successfully chose the route of cheap cost of production pence per litre some had different systems and were bordering on being forced to push for every litre with shockingly low milk price at times, not always but often breeding lines of extreme yields were not by desire more a hopeful desperate solution to keep eads above water. As an industry the faults as in cows in all year round, too much AB use etc are thrown at us by media and therefore is seen and believed by general public, we, myself included, are useless, we take it, I don't recall a decent article for years outside farming publications, which is obviously pointless, stating pork and chicken is high on ab use as a way off stocking heavier, as only solution as imports are largely battery hens/eggs, pork from crates, tell it legally, but pushing the boundries as is done against us. As @gone up the hill loves to state with beef prices, fabbl doesn't give you a premium, you just get hit and price reduction when you aren't. Get a thing going on here for everyone not to renew next membership, but will anyone honestly reply to me saying im wrong that a few would start it, and if momentum gathered the dw buyers would pay a 25ppk premium on beef or lamb and one person would jump ship thinking I cant miss that, then we all follow like sheep and then suddenly when numbers are back up that 25ppk mysteriously disappears:whistle:

25ppk premium, no problem, but the base would be less over all! This would hit the finishing guys that buy in and store price and eventually the breeders.

That is the same response I get when I say it is unfair to dock dairy sired cattle, there is no reasoning for it when they pay against a grid for conformation/fat cover. But if it was removed, the base prises would adjust to average out the total cost.
 
They are doing to those signed up. And they pay for the cattle for you! I find it interesting that despite still paying bonuses for confirmation via the grid not one firm is offering a scheme to suckler breeder/feeders to encourage them to continue, yet are falling over each other to sign up dairy bred stock at minimum price contracts etc for a ‘sustainable’ supply chain, providing young, low weight, low to mid conformation carcasses.To me it shows the way things are going. It will also make ‘open market’ beef much more volatile.

You still pay for them just not until you start killing them. And as has been alluded to the calves are dear, make suckled calves look cheap. There is a margin in them but it's a numbers game.
 

Frank-the-Wool

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Wouldn’t be surprised if it remains fairly flat till nearer the next festive, what do you reckon @Frank-the-Wool

The lamb trade is already quite a bit better than this time last year when it remained in the doldrums until into March.
If I was to be a betting man I would suggest that the present increase will be sustained and that prices will move up more by the end of February.
The pound has remained weak against the euro and with Germany having resolved its political problems for the moment then it will remain weak.
However I would not put money on the prices we saw in May & June last year!!

My concern is the low price of cull ewes as there appears to be no light at the end of the tunnel for them and their consumption is very much limited to the home market. Looking at the slaughter numbers there appears to be a large number that have been kept which have either been tupped or grazed as killing numbers are down on a rolling 12 months.
 

Old Tip

Member
Location
Cumbria
The lamb trade is already quite a bit better than this time last year when it remained in the doldrums until into March.
If I was to be a betting man I would suggest that the present increase will be sustained and that prices will move up more by the end of February.
The pound has remained weak against the euro and with Germany having resolved its political problems for the moment then it will remain weak.
However I would not put money on the prices we saw in May & June last year!!

My concern is the low price of cull ewes as there appears to be no light at the end of the tunnel for them and their consumption is very much limited to the home market. Looking at the slaughter numbers there appears to be a large number that have been kept which have either been tupped or grazed as killing numbers are down on a rolling 12 months.
Do you not think that a lot of ewes have been cashed over the last few years good prices and so there arnt massive numbers to come. Not looked into it but that’s just my thoughts, prices are well down though
 

Frank-the-Wool

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Do you not think that a lot of ewes have been cashed over the last few years good prices and so there arnt massive numbers to come. Not looked into it but that’s just my thoughts, prices are well down though

At the end of October 11% less ewes had been killed in the calendar year. With a small increase in the breeding flock there should be more left to be killed.
With scanning now taking place and early indications of more empty sheep then I fear that there are still a lot of ewes to be killed.

Skin prices have been rock bottom for some years now, not helped by the low wool prices and the end of demand for UGG boots.
Some shorn hides can be charged for!!
 

Full of bull(s)

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Yorkshire
You still pay for them just not until you start killing them. And as has been alluded to the calves are dear, make suckled calves look cheap. There is a margin in them but it's a numbers game.

I’m not saying they will pay to do, but observe the fact they are prepared to stand the money for a year or more to get a supply of them, and guarantee a minimum price but not prepared to do anything similar to secure suckler bred stock. Judge by what you see, not what you are told. My haulier does a lot of work for them and says they are moving a lot of these stirks into farms so plenty are signing up in fact many seem to be leaving the b/w bulls for them instead. Both schemes are through Buitelaar
 

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