The Beast from the East!

Sheep92

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Ireland
Planning was quick, on tuesday you threw the toys out the pram when i said about people increasing there flock without too much thought to if they could house them during a bad winter, in fact your words were- How the hell does an average sheep farmer afford a shed!
Werzle have you nothing better to be at than being a keyboard warrior and annoyong decent folk who are trying to do their best in very difficult conditions? Dont turn all vegan on us
 

Sheep92

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Ireland
I am gonna go for a simple straw bedded shed. Just concrete passage and gravel floor with homemade wooden barriers ( my dad was a chippy and is recently retired so a wee project for him to keep him out of the bloody mart). Local guy i shear for doing me a good deal on a kit and i will stick her up myself . Grant was gonna cost me more than going it alone. As soon as i wanted grant spec stuff it got silly.Slats were kind of getting too dear and couldn't justify for a shortish winter. Interested in buying a chopper to feed silage and bed ewes because time is at a premium in winter when I am out scanning ewes. Also want it all mechanized so I can get someone to pick up slack if I am away on the road for days on end. Are they fairly robust for silage i wonder
Ah your right, basically what we did, that grant job leaves sheds at silly money duno if you seen the sheds the fj have on their pages o_O well id say mchale or kuhn are best for silage, our jeantil is probably good enough at it too but it was a cheap 2nd hand buy, will probably trade it nxt year for a newer kuhn with electric controls
 

Bill Turtle

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Essex
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This little fellow had the misfortune to be born this morning and hasn’t got going. Is hypothermic so we have been trying to warm him since mid afternoon. Finally decided to put him by the aga with an electric blanket as well!
 

irish dom

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Ah your right, basically what we did, that grant job leaves sheds at silly money duno if you seen the sheds the fj have on their pages o_O well id say mchale or kuhn are best for silage, our jeantil is probably good enough at it too but it was a cheap 2nd hand buy, will probably trade it nxt year for a newer kuhn with electric controls
Fj is only good for bedding the dog. Don't know where these boys get their figures from. Mental. We were at a meeting lately and it was suggested we go visit a new grant shed locally. 135k for 200 ewes! Money from America is dangerous. Poor advisor didn't know what hit him when a few sensible men ripped into him for suggesting
Second hand cheap buy would suit me for my wee flock. Must keep eye out
 

rancher

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Location
Ireland
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Its been years of hard shitty work on all rented land building a flock from nothing. Bought a farm six months ago and got planning right away because I lost my winter grass keep because farm I winter on is being sold. Any new keep is outrageously priced and I don't feel like spending a fortune for somebody to starve my sheep in the muck. This winter has been last straw and out wintering sheep is becoming impossible in the west of Ireland. My off farm work is gonna pay for this shed and it will be an asset to my business when it's paid
But I do stand by my statement that no commercial sheep farmer can afford to have a shed to house all ewes and young lambs because of a freak once every 30 year event. Wintering his ewes, taking weather out of the equation and trying to control his costs is a different matter and if it stacks up then that makes sense. That's what we were discussing. You were merely branding people who didn't have indoor space for every eventuality as somehow reckless. I didn't throw toys out of pram I just strongly disagreed with your view on what would be the vast majority of farmers. It was a cheap shot kicking people when they were down. We are all just trying to get through whatever way we can.

Don't know about one in thirty years, 2010 was bad with snow, I built my tunnel in 2012 because conditions were so bad, and winters haven't been great since either. people shouldn't dismiss tunnels if they can't afford portal frames.
Less farmers are allowing sheep on their farm now in the winters as well now,
A neighbour got into a lot ofsheep this year thinking he was going to rent winterage, when that failed decided to out winter.
But for the fact I was getting out and made my sheds available he would have a lot of headaches
 

Werzle

Member
Location
Midlands
Its

Its been years of hard shitty work on all rented land building a flock from nothing. Bought a farm six months ago and got planning right away because I lost my winter grass keep because farm I winter on is being sold. Any new keep is outrageously priced and I don't feel like spending a fortune for somebody to starve my sheep in the muck. This winter has been last straw and out wintering sheep is becoming impossible in the west of Ireland. My off farm work is gonna pay for this shed and it will be an asset to my business when it's paid
But I do stand by my statement that no commercial sheep farmer can afford to have a shed to house all ewes and young lambs because of a freak once every 30 year event. Wintering his ewes, taking weather out of the equation and trying to control his costs is a different matter and if it stacks up then that makes sense. That's what we were discussing. You were merely branding people who didn't have indoor space for every eventuality as somehow reckless. I didn't throw toys out of pram I just strongly disagreed with your view on what would be the vast majority of farmers. It was a cheap shot kicking people when they were down. We are all just trying to get through whatever way we can.
Fair enough. Never mentioned reckless, just come back from having one down the crush myself to strip some colostrum so i know what the weathers like.
 

irish dom

Member
Don't know about one in thirty years, 2010 was bad with snow, I built my tunnel in 2012 because conditions were so bad, and winters haven't been great since either. people shouldn't dismiss tunnels if they can't afford portal frames.
Less farmers are allowing sheep on their farm now in the winters as well now,
A neighbour got into a lot ofsheep this year thinking he was going to rent winterage, when that failed decided to out winter.
But for the fact I was getting out and made my sheds available he would have a lot of headaches
Yeah sure the dairy boys won't entertain sheep even on silage ground. I wonder if milk price moved down would they change their tune. Used to be a great way of wintering sheep if not overstocked. But then I can't blame them. With the weather we have had lately you wouldnt be long destroying a farm. All the younger sheep men are building because the winterage deals are not there anymore and it's getting more and more expensive trying to fight to get them. No grass In spring is no fun either. How's retirement treating you rancher?
 

rancher

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Location
Ireland
Yeah sure the dairy boys won't entertain sheep even on silage ground. I wonder if milk price moved down would they change their tune. Used to be a great way of wintering sheep if not overstocked. But then I can't blame them. With the weather we have had lately you wouldnt be long destroying a farm. All the younger sheep men are building because the winterage deals are not there anymore and it's getting more and more expensive trying to fight to get them. No grass In spring is no fun either. How's retirement treating you rancher?

Delighted to be out, I would be in trouble now if I still had 550 ewes to lamb, ewes and lambs need a lot of room.
We still have eighty and they're just starting now, plenty of space for them though and the water is still flowing,
Dairy farmers use Nov/Dec grown grass now in February so not available for sheep farmers.
Only grass available now is from farmers that sell silage
 

Razor8

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Location
Ireland
I am gonna go for a simple straw bedded shed. Just concrete passage and gravel floor with homemade wooden barriers ( my dad was a chippy and is recently retired so a wee project for him to keep him out of the bloody mart). Local guy i shear for doing me a good deal on a kit and i will stick her up myself . Grant was gonna cost me more than going it alone. As soon as i wanted grant spec stuff it got silly.Slats were kind of getting too dear and couldn't justify for a shortish winter. Interested in buying a chopper to feed silage and bed ewes because time is at a premium in winter when I am out scanning ewes. Also want it all mechanized so I can get someone to pick up slack if I am away on the road for days on end. Are they fairly robust for silage i wonder

Stick up a plan of the shed
 
How many will be on here in the next few months saying that next year they will be lambing in April just in case this weather returns? And probably this time next year all the posts will be about how unseasonably warm and dry it is and how this is the earliest flystrike they have ever seen!
Judging by current trade, these early lambs will make serious money. The cheques will help them forget!
 

RushesToo

Member
Location
Fingringhoe
Sadly, no we just couldn’t seem to revive him and he had expired by 5 this morning.
@Bill Turtle Sorry to hear that. Tubing with warm milk is the best way to heat them up, them blankets after. The blood to the surface shuts down so the warmth stays on the surface of the body because the blood supply is so low there. Sorry if you already knew this but someone might not and it may save a life. :-(
 

Bill Turtle

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Essex
Yes, it had been tubed, and is the first one we have lost in ages. I just hope it’s not the first of three, since that is how I have always found luck runs over the years.
 
Sadly, no we just couldn’t seem to revive him and he had expired by 5 this morning.

Hard luck. I was wondering, is it the same as with a lamb and you inject glucose into the stomach? Not that that's always successful. Hope things improve.

Edit. Just seen the other posts re tubing. I've always understood that you don't tube hypothermic lambs hence my question.
 

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