Building a house

honeyend · Feb 16, 2018

Most seem not to be, and a lot near me are in the middle of isolated fields.

Bossfarmer · Feb 16, 2018

Bojangles said:
The easiest way in rural Scotland is to grab a kit design and take it to the planners. They will visit the farm and if open minded they like if you show them 3 potential plots and ask what one they prefer from a planning point of view.
Don’t go 2 story go 1 1/2 or 1 3/4 ad this is a major obstacle.
Be ready to plan some native trees to soften it too. This was what got mine through.
Took me 1 year from starting to get planning with Tie.
It was greenfield site tho so no old ruins. Like I said before if you have a ruin of some sort then it helps but remember if no tie you are uphill as it’s no different to selling a plot to anyone. If you have to go with a tie then it will have to be in the farms name not yours and paid by the farm so that will be difficult in your situation.
Also avoid renovating a current building as vat will have to be paid. Better to demolish and start fresh from a financial point.
Other option is you sell yours and buy the current farmhouse then parents build one with a tie to the farm then problem solved to an extent

yes this is an option, is there no way i could explain to the planners there IS a need for someone on site as we have a steading with 80 cows calving and nobody living there but that it needs to be in my name as the business is joint owned and some of this house money is wifes

Bossfarmer · Feb 16, 2018

d williams said:
Transfer if they put a ag tie on to the original farm house I know of a farmer moved it twice

your saying i could get planning for mine with tie then move the tie onto existing farmhouse??

Bossfarmer · Feb 16, 2018

Clive said:
can't see that being too hard really, 1 house but 2 families makes it reasonable to ask for a second, the acreage is enough to support 2 families

avoiding a tie might be hard but why does it matter if you are intending to live in it ?

getting a tie lifted is possible so I would probably not argue about it and think about getting it lifted down the line if I ever wanted to sell

im trying to avoid a tie as this makes it part of the farm which is joint owned and a lot of this house money is wifes, also makes the house saleable in the future without a tie i wouldnt want to sell parents house as its right next a steading

Steevo · Feb 16, 2018

Bossfarmer said:
yes this is an option, is there no way i could explain to the planners there IS a need for someone on site as we have a steading with 80 cows calving and nobody living there but that it needs to be in my name as the business is joint owned and some of this house money is wifes

The trouble is if there is a need....it is a need by the farm that this house would be satisfying. Hence a tie of the house to the land/business.

If you built the house, then sold it a year after, there would still be a need again.

I see your predicament however.

d williams · Feb 16, 2018

Bossfarmer said:
your saying i could get planning for mine with tie then move the tie onto existing farmhouse??

Has been done in Wales not even to farm house another property

Bossfarmer · Feb 16, 2018

Steevo said:
The trouble is if there is a need....it is a need by the farm that this house would be satisfying. Hence a tie of the house to the land/business.

If you built the house, then sold it a year after, there would still be a need again.

I see your predicament however.

one option ive heard is that because farmhouse has old style septic tank i could upgrade this as part of planning apllication to get the new house has anyone else heard of this?

Daddy Pig · Feb 16, 2018

I don't think a tie actually ties it to your farm, just means whoever lives in it must make their living from farming or be a retired farmer, no reason why it cant be sold in the future and in this part of the world a tie doesn't seem to have much affect on value.

Steevo · Feb 16, 2018

Daddy Pig said:
I don't think a tie actually ties it to your farm, just means whoever lives in it must make their living from farming or be a retired farmer, no reason why it cant be sold in the future and in this part of the world a tie doesn't seem to have much affect on value.

Quite a few ties i’ve seen in recent years are specific to the farm in question.

However, if the farm can be proven to no longer have a need then the tie can be removed.

d williams · Feb 16, 2018

Steevo said:
Quite a few ties i’ve seen in recent years are specific to the farm in question.

However, if the farm can be proven to no longer have a need then the tie can be removed.

Daddy Pig said:
I don't think a tie actually ties it to your farm, just means whoever lives in it must make their living from farming or be a retired farmer, no reason why it cant be sold in the future and in this part of the world a tie doesn't seem to have much affect on value.

That would depend on area don't think the mortgage company's favour tie property's and it is only restricted to someone working in agri not the farm

Bojangles · Feb 16, 2018

Bossfarmer said:
yes this is an option, is there no way i could explain to the planners there IS a need for someone on site as we have a steading with 80 cows calving and nobody living there but that it needs to be in my name as the business is joint owned and some of this house money is wifes

Nope I’m afraid not

Bojangles · Feb 16, 2018

Daddy Pig said:
I don't think a tie actually ties it to your farm, just means whoever lives in it must make their living from farming or be a retired farmer, no reason why it cant be sold in the future and in this part of the world a tie doesn't seem to have much affect on value.

This is true but it t does effect the value by a decent margin

TheTallGuy · Feb 16, 2018

An ag tie may tie the occupancy to the specific farm (rather than generic agricultural employment), but that's not the same as ownership being tied to the ownership of the farm. You will still have independent ownership of the house, but naturally the mortgage/resale value is limited due to the tie. It's possible to get the tie removed down the line, but many authorities won't even consider it after less than 10-15 years - I know of one locally where the council fought a 25 year tie being lifted despite the farm named having been dissolved some years prior. The only ways forward for you is to either do a pre app with the council or to get a really good planning consultant on it for you.

Steevo · Feb 16, 2018

d williams said:
That would depend on area don't think the mortgage company's favour tie property's and it is only restricted to someone working in agri not the farm

The recent ties I've seen had the following text:

"The occupation of the dwelling shall be limited to a person solely or mainly working, or last working, in agriculture or forestry employed at the farm holding known as xxxxxx Farm, or a widow or widower of such a person, and to any resident dependants.

Reason: The creation of a new residential unit has been granted due to the proven agricultural need arising from the agricultural operation of a single identified farm holding, in accordance with PPS7 and Policy HN10 of the adopted Local Plan"

Bossfarmer · Feb 16, 2018

TheTallGuy said:
An ag tie may tie the occupancy to the specific farm (rather than generic agricultural employment), but that's not the same as ownership being tied to the ownership of the farm. You will still have independent ownership of the house, but naturally the mortgage/resale value is limited due to the tie. It's possible to get the tie removed down the line, but many authorities won't even consider it after less than 10-15 years - I know of one locally where the council fought a 25 year tie being lifted despite the farm named having been dissolved some years prior. The only ways forward for you is to either do a pre app with the council or to get a really good planning consultant on it for you.

So I could get a tie initially and have it in my own name then try and remove it in the future?

mikep · Feb 17, 2018

Don't worry about ties or anything else until to have clarified the position about a section 106. These are in flux at present but can tie the land to the house, a much more problematic scenario. You can't be forced to sign one neither can the planning be conditional on one, but, it was made very clear to us that if we volunteered then the council would be willing to give us permission. We have accepted that but with a view to looking at it again should it become a problem. In some areas self build is favoured so talk to a good planning advisor with a track record with the council and have an onsite meeting with all parties. A few bob spent now can make all the difference.

coomoo · Feb 20, 2018

There are no ag ties in Scotland now as far as I’m aware.

bazza3034 · Mar 4, 2018

Why not buy one of those log cabins some great 3+4 bed 1s about 25 to 30 g s job done no fixed hassles anything happens sell it

Forever Fendt · Mar 4, 2018

honeyend said:
What about 'disused' farm buildings under part Q permitted development? They could be anywhere on the farm.

Not in scotland

puppet · Mar 4, 2018

coomoo said:
There are no ag ties in Scotland now as far as I’m aware.

Definitely are

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