I see in the 2018 BPS pdf that now it is allowed in the same place for 3 years. Don't know when it changed.
Blimey! A relaxation rules?
I see in the 2018 BPS pdf that now it is allowed in the same place for 3 years. Don't know when it changed.
what sort of timescale are you thinking about ?SUSTAINABLE
some have different ethics than othersETHICAL
All consumers that buy organic produce buy it because they think the meat/ milk etc come from animals that have been reared on grassland/ from crops that don't receive any meds/ the land hasn't come into contact with any form of sprays/ fert etc etc, trouble is all this is a myth on some organic farms.......
And surely the whole point of organic produce costing more in the shops is to cover the increased production costs from lower yields/ lower stocking rates etc so what a nonsense that some organic farmers on this thread say they use conventional straw as its cheaper than organic straw.
And if organic straw is impossible to find then surely the answer is for organic farms to cut stocking rates and grow their own straw.
What is your problem with organic farmers?!? Our organic cake is £390/t at the moment, our close up calvers are on straw for 3 weeks and youngstock upto 9 months old, everything else on cubicles with sawdust. If you dont like it dont buy it, your starting to sound like the farmer equivalent of a vegan with some kind of personal vendetta. The majority of people who buy organic produce are probably far more aware of the rules and regs that govern how their food is produced than people that buy conventional is produced hence why are they happy to pay a premium.
Where have I said I have a problem with organic farmers? Could you quote it for me ?
I was just having a discussion about it and other things like what is natural
I did say I had thought about becoming an organic farmer as I could see there was some money to be made from it why would I want to become something I have a problem with
I don't have a problem with them I think its good busness both for them and the non organic farmers that supply them
By belittling our products and making out we are con artists.
Well ?could you quote where I have done this ?
@Scholsey im with you about using less of the drugs but GP’s have a massive part to play in this also. Our kids go to school and there is a drastic difference in what the youngsters get prescribed in different surgeries. On a good note, lot of the doctors are so busy so kids better before they can get an appointment
On a separate note, would upping the cc bands reduce antibiotic usage, we are 200k think dc 150k and believe OMSCo are higher. The limit that can be sold is 400k. If they upped it surely would that cut back on more being used
oh and there may well be a premium for the fodder seller for the night time delivery so everyone is happy
can't see the problem with this model ?
nobody gets hurt ?
and its not like there is any poison changing hands
any that lie on it I would think
So use of non organic straw is ok because its convenient
Right I get it now .wouldn't want it to be much of a challenge
@Scholsey my mrs works in NHS also. It drives me wild with some of the wastage that goes on. I think if they had half dozen beef and sheep farmers and half a dozen spring calving farmers doing expenses they would cut £bn’s Off costs. Out of interest would you be over or under the arla threshold for cc? Must admit when milk link went from 150 to 200 we cut usage by a fair bit
Would you quote these posts please ?So if your not belittling and making out we are con artists what has been the purpose of your 20+ posts on this thread? Or are you just baiting/trolling? Its not just farmers that read this and nothing good can come from some of the accusations being made on here with little/nothing to back it up.
Would you quote these posts please ?
seems to me you should look to some of the organic producers post on this thread if you want belittling baiting and trolling and before you ask I could quote lots of them
But that's the trouble isn't it, Scholsey- the rules are made up by self interest groups like SA & OG+G, with no evidence that what they claim for the "product" is true. And there's so many exemptions that the whole thing is ridiculous-not just non-organic straw, but what's the logic behind doubling withdrawal periods for meds, but three treatments and you're out? surely if doubling the withdrawal means the cow is "organic" again, what does it matter how many times it's been ill?
50 years ago SA was considered to be a bunch of sandal wearing weirdo's who knew sod all about farming. I don't think the knowledge base has grown, but the whole idea is now fashionable . But then, some people think stress or electromagnetic fields cause cancer (Cancer Research UK have confirmed they don't)
Just imagine a future where you need PETA approval to keep livestock
Just to clarify that non farm assured animals can NOT become assured over night as has been implied on this thread.
They have to be on a assured farm for several months before they can become assured.
Vey sad when any organic farmer seeks to slate non organic farming methods/ assurance schemes like has happened on this thread.
Very clear from many comments from all coventional farmers on this thread that they support/ respect organic farming but such a shame that the odd organic farmer cant return that respect/ support to conventional farmers in the same way
talking to the vet the other day, he thinks that eventually we will all have on line medicines records, which will tie in with on line records from the vet so there will be an audit trail to show which animals the antibiotics are bought for and used on. I think in Denmark, all fertiliser bought has to be part of an audit-able fertiliser plan and you can not buy more than certain limits for application to the number of IACS acres you have.It could do when the public realise how much "off label" usage of vet and med in conventional dairy goes on!
Seeing as we are throwing mud!
sometimes its what they are told to thinkSo to summarise my wittering, it doesn’t matter what we think is right, it’s what average jo/joe behind their shopping trolley thinks is right is what we have to farm to.