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- South Wales UK
Yes and the manufacturer's have been sourcing all their stuff abroad and China etc. So in real terms it costs them the same or cheaper than then maybe ?
Machinery too expensive
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Deutzdx3
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I was sent an email that went to some one it shouldn't have with the imported price of tractors into the uk. The uk importer was earning over 5k on a 26k net dealer price tractor that would then realistically earn the dealer £1200 when it was sold for say 28k. Retail price would have been 35-38k
Bare in mind the manufacturer sells it to the uk importer which is owner by the manufacturer then sells to dealer then onto end user. I know one thing. The dealers aren't making huge sums on the sales of tractors. Every thing is to expensive in the machinery world.
Bare in mind the manufacturer sells it to the uk importer which is owner by the manufacturer then sells to dealer then onto end user. I know one thing. The dealers aren't making huge sums on the sales of tractors. Every thing is to expensive in the machinery world.
Ducati899
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- north dorset
We use two firms for new kit and have just pucheased a item of kit off of each,gentleman’s agreement with both firms of split payments of 3 and 4 months.each payment sent by bacs on the 20th of each month,no deposit needed and obviously works on trust between both parties
Cab-over Pete
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- Kenilworth, Warwickshire
Prices will keep going up till people stop buying it. Everyone will just find ways to do without. Zero tilling is a good example of that or liquid fertilizer to save buying a fert spinner not that im an expert on any of those things.
And why does all machinery keep getting bigger and more complicated. An rp12 was a much simpler machine than whats available now what does all this extra complications really achieve? Compared to all that electrics you could just make the reel bigger to make everyrhung a bit stronger and it would do the same job as a computerised baler without the extra costs and complications and costs wouldnt it
A year or two back I was on a farm spreading and the tractor driver was just finishing the last few acres of ploughing. I noticed he was parked up for an hour or so. As I worked across to him I got talking, seems as though the plough had broken in some way.
An electronic box of tricks in the cab. To turn a plough over. Oh, and to alter the furrow width.
What a load of bloody nonsense. Man has managed for generations and generations without electronics on a plough and there was this chap ploughing one way, driving up the field doing nothing and ploughing back down to finish the job.
Completely crazy.
I bought a new to me baler in 2010 and its got a lot of electrics and sensors and things on it. The only trouble ive had with it apart from the odd chain has been electrical. Mostly error codes that dont mean anything other than a lump of dust and grass has fallen on the sensor and i have to go out and clean it off.
Its the first implement ive ever used with any kind of electrics on it and FFS what a ballache. The tractor i have that pulls it has been the same a switch on the shuttle laid it up for a week while my mate with his laptop tried to figure out why it jumped out of gear all the time. It was a cheap fix in the end but
What was wrong with gears and levers
all that rhe electrics have done in lots of cases is add more complexity and expense were i wasnt needed (or asked for)Havent krone started making simple old fashioned balers again? Theres a lot of call for cheap simple mechanical tractors especially from livestock farmers
Cab-over Pete
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- Kenilworth, Warwickshire
I can see that it’s all useful and adds to productivity in many cases, especially for the big ticket machines, but to turn a plough? Or roll a bit of straw together? Nonsense.
Pleased with it ?
icanshootwell
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- Ross-on-wye
Its a bit like a round baler when the electric net is playing up, the baler is working fine but you can,t put any net on, this has happened to me and its very frustrating, to the point you want to do a Bazel Faulty on it and give it a bloody good thrashing with a stick or in my case a big adjustable spanner.
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
Problem is that customers for that kind of thing don't exactly grow on trees. It may well have been ordered specifically for the original customer in the first place. If he wants rid, I'm afraid its inevitable that he takes a big hit.
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
Prices will keep going up till people stop buying it. Everyone will just find ways to do without. Zero tilling is a good example of that or liquid fertilizer to save buying a fert spinner not that im an expert on any of those things.
And why does all machinery keep getting bigger and more complicated. An rp12 was a much simpler machine than whats available now what does all this extra complications really achieve? Compared to all that electrics you could just make the reel bigger to make everyrhung a bit stronger and it would do the same job as a computerised baler without the extra costs and complications and costs wouldnt it
As far as balers go, basic models are still available to order but farmer customers for them are now like hen's teeth. Round baling has overwhelmingly become a contractor's job and contractors are now buying nearly as many combination baler/wrappers in top specification as they are high output balers.
The baler market, as with most other farm machinery sectors, is nothing like what it once was.
I notice that Lely are getting balers from AGCO for another year. AGCO probably realised at the last minute that it is a very tough market and that they would probably sell near to bugger-all own brand balers if they didn't also supply existing Lely dealers in the short term. It will be interesting to see whether they gain some extra sales with [what was] the Welger/Lely baler range, which is an excellent product.
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Ormond
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Maybe that has contributed to the high prices some what...a little like house prices...how many £100k plus tractors would be sold at an interest rate of 10 - 15%?[/QUOTE]
Yes very. It's not perfect (need to give. the dealer a call to see if there any closer to a fix for the lacklustre bale ejection) but a lot better than the NH we ran previously.
The figures are frightening. We are just on tractors at the minute and the powers that be can see a saving of £30,000 per unit by changing brands so it looks like the new one will be a different colour and the others will be swapped as and when.
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- West Suffolk
in 30 years ive never been able to buy anything bigger than a motorbike without finance . . .
I’m talking about the good old days that my grandad and dad had. Back in the 60’s,70’s,80’s. Machinery,sheds,houses,cars all bought without finance. Wasn’t till the early 90’s when things started to get financed.
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- Welshpool Powys
Too dear and too complicated all the electronics etc aren’t needed in a lot of applications.
I’m off to buy a Belarus @Cab-over Pete and some hobnails
I’m off to buy a Belarus @Cab-over Pete and some hobnails
Cab-over Pete
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- Kenilworth, Warwickshire
Yep, and a massive hammer and one spanner that does all the day to day tasks, just like the old Fergie spanner.
Mind you, I do like air con. Ive often thought I was born 30 years too late and that the Big A should have been the pinnacle of my illustrious career!!
Mind you, I do like air con. Ive often thought I was born 30 years too late and that the Big A should have been the pinnacle of my illustrious career!!
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- Welshpool Powys
With flares and elbow patches on your sports jacket?
who the hell asked for all this fancy stuff ... im dam sure i never did. ...
.....bit of quietness, airseat for my back and air con for when its v.hot thats all...
.....bit of quietness, airseat for my back and air con for when its v.hot thats all...
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- West Suffolk
who the hell asked for all this fancy stuff ... im dam sure i never did. ...
.....bit of quietness, airseat for my back and air con for when its v.hot thats all...
All in the name of efficacy no doubt
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