asparagusbrain
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Neither. Came for academic reasons, and permanent employment is just not my thing.
Immigration Good For The Country?
- Thread starter bluebell
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icanshootwell
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- Ross-on-wye
There are plenty of British who want to work, but most are best off on the dole, i have always said, people that claim dole should do so many hours per week working for it, filling in pot holes, cleaning out ditches, sweeping the streets, working with young people etc etc. It may not be so attractive to so many then.
asparagusbrain
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Are you sure? Every country I have ever lived and worked in had free school education for everyone, and some sort of "free" healthcare provision too (often insurance based, not tax based).
Traffic dodger
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Also add in to the mix suppresd wages for low skilled jobs.
Grassman
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- Location
- Derbyshire
You came to university for education?
Old Boar
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- Location
- West Wales
The Gov are way ahead of you. Look up Workfare. Oh, and while you are doing a job and not getting paid, you have to look for paid work.
Write down your weekly expenses - electricity, gas, phone, oil, food, mortgage payments (not rent), car running costs, insurance and total it up. How much over £72 are you? The Gov "help towards" rent but not often cover the full cost. They do not pay anything towards a mortgage.
Any one of us at any time can have an accident or illness which prevents us working.
There but for the grace of God etc.
Traffic dodger
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Nothing is paid towards a mortgage but rent is paid, another reason why renting is now so bad. Mortgages are not for everyone.
asparagusbrain
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Both education and research (postgrad).
beefandsleep
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- Staffordshire
I’m not sure if you meant that last sentence to sound like it did to get some kind of a rise, but if permanent employment is just not your thing then you are possibly the sort of immigrant that maybe shouldn’t have been allowed to stay after completing your education. I do hope your children don’t have the same attitude to work.
asparagusbrain
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Why not? There are people who prefer to have the security of permanent employment, and then there are more entrepreneurial types. A healthy economy needs both. After being my own boss for a long time, I'd go for a 9 to 5 job only in the most exceptional circumstances (and then still likely to bolt at the first opportunity).
Joe
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- Carlow Ireland
Question is immigration a good thing, well economically it has been proven many times it is and on average immigrants contribute a good % over native people to the economy during their lifetime. The problems outlined in many posts above is caused by ghettoization which leads to lower class (for use of a different explanation) not assimilating better into wider society which can run into generations, you could argue the same for native lower classes being ghettoized as well to certain extent.
beefandsleep
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- Location
- Staffordshire
Thank you for the clarification, it helps to have all the information before one forms an opinion. I hope you have been/are successful. (asparagusbrain)
kiwi pom
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- Location
- canterbury NZ
Immigrants, nah don't agree with it, terrible people, swanning off to other countries for an easier life. Shocking.
ollie989898
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So you reckon I could go to the USA and get free healthcare and my kids in a primary school no questions asked?
Thats BS and you know it.
asparagusbrain
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The US is not the only country in the world, and by far not the best example when it comes to healthcare for their own citizens. Primary education, yes, you would get for your children, no matter what your own immigration status is.
Princess Pooper
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- Location
- East Mids
My British cousins in USA and Canada get free education for their kids. USA healthcare system is not free to anyone I don't think so not a fair comparison. Anyway, every time I go to a hospital now, I have to fill in questionnaires about my nationality - they are tightening up massively on free NHS for those who are not entitled. Of course, whilst we are in EU, EHIC covers EU citizens in this country just as we are covered in other parts of EU.
There are lots of people who do not have permanent employment, it doesn't mean they do not work or are a bum. If you have a zero hours contract you only work if they want you and if you are self employed the chances are you are not permanently employed as you are always looking for the next job. Contract jobs only last as long as the project.
Once I had three jobs/employers but I was not permanently employed, its often the case if you have home responsibilities, work has to fit round them. Since when I did this I paid all my NI and tax in this period, I do not see what is the problem with not having a permanent job and I have only once claimed unemployment benefit for 3 months in 40 years of nearly continuous employment of some sort.
All the immigrants I meet are all working, paying their NI and taxes, perhaps because they blend in and cause no problems its not news.
A Polish friend is having problems with her teenage son, they are thinking of sending him back to Poland to military school to square him up, they are far more worried about the influences here, I get the feeling Polish kids are not indulged.
ollie989898
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You are being disingenuous in the extreme. You know full well that my access to any kind of health or welfare public funds in the US would be non existent.
EU free movement is s foolish policy and has adversely affected the quality of life and security of UK bonafide citizens.
Ask yourself the cost and complication our education and health systems now face given the multitude of languages they have to attempt to accomodate.